Wednesday, August 29, 2007

Anime World Order Show # 58 - No, The Other DA BOMB

Finally, an actual episode again! Clarissa reviews Suzuka, and Daryl not only recounts his experience at Florida Supercon, but also reviews Barefoot Gen, which is a very important work indeed. Gerald's Otakon report has been split off into a separate file.

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We would like to thank everyone who inquired to ask whether the podcast was no more following PT Chapman's vicious attack upon Daryl's throat. Some wondered if perhaps he would need a voicebox to talk like Junjo from Return of the Street Fighter, but fear not: Daryl retaliated using a secret unblockable technique that does triple damage:


Introduction (0:00 - 33:25)
Clarissa clearly does not believe in the concept of stating your name at the start of each episode, but we may as well abide by SOME of the podcasting do's, right? No emails this week, since Daryl's got his much-overdue report of the most recent Florida Supercon, a sci-fi convention in South Florida whose attendees largely consist of people who don't go to any other conventions throughout the state and don't seem to have any sort of presence on the Internet whatsoever. There is an entire hidden underworld of anime fandom that is mostly invisible save for events such as this.

  • Risingsun.net is one of the largest cosplay picture sites around, and due to it being centered in Florida, we know a great deal of the featured people on this site. In fact, the cosplayer with the most pictures of all is Gerald's neighbor. The "Boner Robin" pictures of Troy that Snacks mentioned originated from here, and there's even pictures of us looking dumbfounded for those willing to investigate.
  • On the opposite site of the eternal Blood War, here's the homepage for AssimilationCon, which is the week after AWA. Decide for yourselves which side is the Tanar'ri and which side is the Baatezu (we get to be the Yugoloths). Just to review: the day after AWA, Daryl has jury duty. The day after that, Halo 3 comes out. Then this convention happens. I bet we have Otaku USA deadlines around then too. Good thing we didn't get conscripted to do panels at Assimilation, oh wait
Promo: Ninja Consultants (33:25 - 35:21)
Following a courtesy bump voicemail and an explanation that this is where Gerald's Otakon report was originally, Daryl has created a special promo for Erin and Noah that's all sunshine and rainbows as proof that he is not entirely negative despite being the Hunter Zolomon of podcasting.

As for the Otakon report, here's a slideshow of the pictures you should totally look at while listening to Gerald's Otakon report:

You might want to just click this link to view the full gallery at once. Captions by Gerald; no writing in to say "that's Dr McNinja, dude!" since we already told him.

Here's the doujin cover Gerald was talking about:
Review: Suzuka (35:21 - 54:45)
Following her highly demoralizing review of everyone's favorite government crime investigation agent, Zaizen Jotaro, Clarissa really needed something to pick her out of that haze. That's when Daryl told her to review Suzuka. Funimation has sent us three discs worth of this show. Clearly they hate us. Perhaps Clarissa can elaborate upon our feelings on this show in an upcoming issue of Otaku USA! Promo: Otaku USA Magazine (54:45 - 56:11)
Did you see that freaking segue we just did? Daryl finally saw Issue 2 last week and was quite glad to see that clown pistols not only got mentioned in print, but the picture appeared as well. Journalistic aspirations: COMPLETED.

Review: Barefoot Gen (56:11 - 1:28:28)
Daryl may claim to be a serious anime fan who discusses serious subjects, but it was his decision to put in the Gap Band song, the sound effect for which made him laugh hysterically as a toddler...and also now. It's too bad that it was used in GTA San Andreas. Regardless, this is an important work that everyone should at least see once, and it's kind of annoying Grave of the Fireflies gets all the mainstream Roger Ebert-level praise while this story remains relatively unrecognized.
  • Buy Barefoot Gen: The Movies 1 & 2 (or anything else on the site), and I think we get a percentage if you do so by clicking that link!
  • Last Gasp Publishing, whose press releases seem to suggest that their editions of Barefoot Gen have sold out multiple printings of several thousand copies each. If that's the case, then where's the next six volumes? I think the recent volumes of Phoenix sold fewer than 100 copies (really, I'm not exaggerating), but those still come out eventually.
  • Here's a link to Barefoot Gen Volume One: A Cartoon Story of Hiroshima, which is the first volume of the manga; volumes two, three, and four are all that's out so far in the US, and it's been a few years since the last one came out
Closing (1:28:28 - 1:38:14)
People are actually THANKING us for tricking them into watching MD Geist. Must be some crazy variant of Stockholm Syndrome. The current contest is over, since we have entirely too many entries, but there'll certainly be more contests to come. Next er...time, Daryl is going to talk about Robot Carnival like he was originally going to do this time around. In the weeks to come, he'll be burning through a bunch of the stuff that Vertical Inc. has released over the last few months. Gerald managed to find one of the few things DMP publishes that isn't gay porn, Project X: Cup Noodle, which has nothing to do with training chimps to be astronauts. Clarissa, after having been Zaizen'ed and Suzuka'ed, is feeling like murdering children, so it's only fitting that she review When They Cry: Higurashi, which is one that's been repeatedly requested of us. Hey, one of us has to review anime, right?

I think Suzuka's the breaking point: from this point on we'll try sticking to our original principles of reviewing series in their entirety whenever possible, so when we've got just Volume 1 of something, which is happening more and more, we'll try and do mini-reviews that last something like 5 minutes instead. There's no other way we'll get through all of this stuff!


109 comments:

Gaijinder said...
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Gaijinder said...

Yes there were a few typos in the first attempt. Apologies.

Gerald - The AAA Concert was pretty packed and was pretty much filled to capacity with Video 1 being overflow if I remember right.

As for how I got in, Tyler and I got special press treatment so we got front row right away. Felt like we were at an idol event with everybody rushing to get pictures during the first three songs.

And god the schedule really was messed up. What made it worse was when the sign outside of Panels 3 went missing.

And to add a note to that, BIG props to Brian from Otakon Press for seriously working his arse off. I thought that press has a one hour jump for the dealer's room though?

Speaking of that, in the final hours of the Dealer's Room, they started doing the Lucky Star dance, completely hijacking the 24/7 Haruhi dance.

...and you just HAD to include my attempt to jazz up the watch :P

Erin said...

Is it so much to ask that you STOP TALKING ABOUT RAPING ME ON YOUR SHOW?!

Jaime said...

Where's the picture of the cover of the doujinshi that you bought, Gerald? I need to see this!

-Jaime

Anonymous said...

...omg.

Thank you so much for playing my voicemail! I feel special. ^_^

~Sara

Anonymous said...

Is it just me, or did Berserk suddenly turn into chick literature after volume 13? (I'm going by the DH release btw.)

TJ said...

Yay, a new (real) episode of AWO is out!! I must go listen!!

Erwin Rosales said...

Wow, this show was as great as it was long. It was well worth it all the wait.
I can't wait to listen to Carnival of Robots and yes I got my Vol 1 of Phoenix and it says second edition on it :D . Now I have to return the one I got from my local library.

Gerald said...

OK, the doujin cover is up for all the view the greatness of Tim Burton's Kiki.

Christian said...

Gerald, no mall cop can hassle you (legally) about taking a picture in a public place (which a mall's hallway counts as) without a court order. They can work on getting you BANNINATED from the building and going back would make you guilty of trespassing, but taking a picture is no big deal. Mall cops are pretty much the lowest level of 'law enforcement' and usually the least educated about what they're allowed to do.

If a mall cop hassles you about taking a picture, tell them to come back with a court order. If you get thrown out of the mall, you're probably better off for it anyway (unless you work there, in which case you're pretty much fucked, but you've probably got bigger problems anyway).

Régis said...

Great show once again AWO! Thoroughly enjoyed it and it was worth the wait! (I'm definitely in the camp for longer shows too!) I was a bit confused as to the availability of the Barefoot Gen manga. You mentioned that there are only 4 vol available here. Are those 4 equivalent to the original 10? Also, is the manga something easy to find online? Are there scanlations of it?

Also, Gerald, what a lucky find! I'm a huge fan of Kiki's (one of Miyazaki's most underrated films in my opinion) and the combination of that and Batman looks great! Would it be too much to ask for a jpeg of some sample pages?

Thanks!

Sony_CEO said...

What happened with that whole situation concerning the Anime "professionals" and their "copyrighted" panel? Did this Florida convention follow the same regulations as AFO or did you seriously have to get permission to play/use the audio of their panel? Either way, the grounds for their objections sound unbelievably ridiculous. If possible, could you release the recording as a bonus episode or something like? I'm just sort intrigued by it all.

L8er

Alexander Strange said...

The no cameras rule was some weird staff thing, not 4chan's. I think.

They wanted everyone to put away their DSes too, just because they looked like cameras, but we negotiated that down on the spot.

Gerald said...

The no cameras rule was some weird staff thing, not 4chan's. I think.

That sounds very strange since, except for the concerts, and perhaps the Maki Murakami panel (neither of which I went to), there was no other panel that had any sort of restrictions on photography. And all of those were imposed by the people running the panel, so why would Otakon arbitrarily impose photography restrictions on a fan run panel when the panelists have no problem with it?

I would think that some 4chan staff at some point would have said "no photography". Oh wait, there was also a sign up during the panel panel too. I'm just very confused as to why that has some of the most severe photography restrictions of a non-pro event.

Anonymous said...

"Regardless, this is an important work that everyone should at least see once, and it's kind of annoying Grave of the Fireflies gets all the mainstream Roger Ebert-level praise while this story remains relatively unrecognized."

It did get a mention in TIME a while back. But I'd imagine the reason it doesn't get as much exposure is that most people have trouble sitting through it long enough without losing their lunches. The Geneon rep I talked to last year said this was one anime they didn't license for the money.

"Last Gasp Publishing, whose press releases seem to suggest that their editions of Barefoot Gen have sold out multiple printings of several thousand copies each. If that's the case, then where's the next six volumes? I think the recent volumes of Phoenix sold fewer than 100 copies (really, I'm not exaggerating), but those still come out eventually."

Phoenix sold so few copies, because Viz printed so few copies. Last Gasp is probably losing money, because most of their Barefoot Gen books are rotting on the shelves. I feel sorry for it, but it's always been a tough sell.

In the 80s, the Frank Miller crowd would have demanded "cool" violence which makes readers feel vindicated somehow, while Gen would make them question war, which wouldn't fly
with the Reagan children. In the 00s, it's all about the moe and pointless violence, which means people think jerking off to Elfen Lied and Gantz is more intellectually-stimulating than Gen. Tough break for people who like stories with context, but
the emo fucks have taken over, and only care about self-gratification.

"Next er...time, Daryl is going to talk about Robot Carnival like he was originally going to do this time around. "

It's a shame STA can't seem to get that out right now. I wonder if the sequel is still happening. I just hope Bandai Visual doesn't suddenly get the rights and charge me $150 for it...

"Gerald managed to find one of the few things DMP publishes that isn't gay porn,"

They actually have a number of non-yaoi titles. Hell, they publish Berserk, Trigun, and Hellsing faster than DH publishes Oh My Goddess and Shirow. (No offense to you, Carl, since you're doing a good job. They just can't seem to meet deadlines, though.)

Area88 said...

MD Geist fans and purists alike should track down the original version on vhs since Central Park Media only released the director's cut on dvd which had certain scenes reanimated.

Anonymous said...

WTF? There are MD Geist "purists"?

Mara K. said...

Project X: Cup Noodle!! Why I just reread it this weekend. I can't wait to hear that review! The Project X manga series is fantastic, though to be fair I've only read the Datsun one and the Cup Noodle one. We haven't gotten the 7 Eleven one yet. I'd love to see more esoteric titles like those show up over here.

exedore said...

It's a shame STA can't seem to get that out right now. I wonder if the sequel is still happening. I just hope Bandai Visual doesn't suddenly get the rights and charge me $150 for it...

STA don't exist anymore. The company was run by (literally) one woman who is no longer with the Japanese parent company. Now if only someone would post DVD ISO's of Sci-Fi Harry...

Tyler said...

Hey Gerald, Tyler here from Rangercast. Fun times at Otakon. Nice pics in the gallery.

Regina Buenaobra ran Press Ops last year though IIRC Brian has done it in the past. And yes, he did a damn good job all things considered.

Interviews were a clusterfuck this year. Mostly, I think, because the guests were more high-profile than usual. Half of the people there as press wanted to interview Seki, Noto, Kitamura. Though it would be great if all this stuff was sorted out from those pre-con emails, the people in press ops are basically flying by the seat of their pants with whatever Guest Relations hands them.

And like Mike said, the AAA concert was VERY packed. I believe the plan in the first place was to use Video 1 as overflow. And yeah, we only got the first three songs for photos. A shame given their costume changes after that. I was originally going to just kind of take photos from my VERY nice front row seat, THEN I saw other press guys jumping over eachother for pics.

Tyler said...

Oh, and correction for ya. The Industry Hall has been around since 2005, I believe.

PM said...

Con guides that cause nosebleeds? That are hopelessly out of date the moment they're printed? You would not BELIEVE the solution we've come up with for these two problems.

In just a few weeks, all will be revealed and it's genius!

Anonymous said...

"I like the guy in the vest."

I like the guy with the clown pistol.

My, I look tired, probably because I was, though that's not why I didn't stick around to chat. As I believe I posted before (and am redundantly repeating now), I wanted to get back to Video 4 to gauge members' reactions to showing untranslated Ultraman Zearth.

Speaking of Video 4: Gerald, was that you reacting when I san Daryl's lyrics to the Tranzoooorrrrr Zeeeeeeee theme?

Gerald, no mall cop can hassle you (legally) about taking a picture in a public place (which a mall's hallway counts as) without a court order.

I thought the guy was a real cop. Maybe I need to re-listen to the episode?

Now the big question: Who wants to tell Gerald the alternate name for creamed chipped beef on toast?

E. Bernhard Warg
Anime's Frank
Otakon Classic Track

Anonymous said...

The gaijin version of One Missed Call is here. http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2008/NOPQR/One-Missed-Call/trailer.php

Area88 said...

So Super Techno Arts now seize to exist? I hope this isn't true because they've been promising a US dvd release of Robot Carnival every year I've emailed them.

exedore said...

So Super Techno Arts now seize to exist?

No, they now cease to exist. Super Techno Arts was literally a one-person (specifically a woman named Cindy) sub-division of Studio APPP and their US sales office. APPP, for the uninitiated, got their start on a little film called Project A-Ko. Anyways, according to reliable sources, she is no longer with the company, therefore there is no more Super Techno Arts.

And really, all this for Robot Carnival? Perhaps the most boring of all the anthology films? I mean, I love me some mecha goodness, but I'd be hard pressed to even remember what half of the segments were (other than the awesome samurai segment). Still, the R2 (and I believe somewhere made an R3) is available and it's not like you need a translation for 90% of it.

Now where's my HD remaster of Manie Manie? The one ADV will fuck up by unnecessarily interlacing it...

Anonymous said...

exedore: "Super Techno Arts was literally a one-person (specifically a woman named Cindy) sub-division of Studio APPP and their US sales office."

It wasn't just one person, although Cindy was the one in charge. From what I heard on the AOD forums, it STA's status has been hindered by internal problems at A.P.P.P.

"And really, all this for Robot Carnival? Perhaps the most boring of all the anthology films?"

Yeah, why can't it have more child rape like Kite? But, anyway, if the hooded mech is good enough for Revenge of the Sith, it's good enough for the casual anime fan. If you really wanna be bored, though, sit through Tekkon Kinkreet.

"Still, the R2 (and I believe somewhere made an R3) is available and it's not like you need a translation for 90% of it."

Yeah, just $80. (Not including S+H.)

Jeff Tatarek said...

Gerald, one of your photos has the caption "I'm not sure who this guy was dressed as." It's Dr. McNinja, a webcomic at...surprisingly... drmcninja.com.

The author's an SA Forums goon, which makes him immediately a cooler person than most.

Robot Carnival, eh..? Has this episode been recorded yet? I only ask for...my edification (rushes to get episode 7 done so I can plow through production of episode 8).

Eeeper said...

"Tir Na Nog"? As in Egg Nog? Nope, it's pronounced like the word LOGAN. Shame on you Gerald for this dialect faux-pas! This brought to you by a Irishman who is far too anal for his own good.

Suto said...

There was a movie back in 1980 called Torso that featured a serial killer who went after women with the ideal body parts. It was pretty decent, with some well done gore, and a scene where a cornered victim visibly pisses herself when cornered by the chainsaw-wielding maniac. The very last minute of the movie is very crazy.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the bit about how some people get autographs just so they can eBay them: Here's a more despicable variation.

E. Bernhard Warg
(fixing my vest)

Chris Sobieniak said...

And really, all this for Robot Carnival? Perhaps the most boring of all the anthology films? I mean, I love me some mecha goodness, but I'd be hard pressed to even remember what half of the segments were (other than the awesome samurai segment). Still, the R2 (and I believe somewhere made an R3) is available and it's not like you need a translation for 90% of it.

Well, I made a cool BitTorrent presentation for the film I could stick up on Demonoid if need be (having it on Karagarga for the moment).

Brian said...

Christian is right Gerald. You had every right to take that picture and the security guy (or even a cop) was wrong to make you delete it. Happens all the time, but they can't legally make you stop taking photos in a public place nor can they confiscate your film or make you delete the picture. As Christian said, they CAN ban you from the site then if you persist they'll arrest you for trespassing, but not photography. I get this all the time while doing projects so I started carrying this in my camera bag: http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
It even work sometimes...

Anonymous said...

I just re-watched Barefoot Gen to make sure of some things:

Mr. Pak is replaced by a Japanese next door neighbor named Mr. Boku who only appears in three scenes: Inadvertantly giving Gen and Shinji the idea of stealing a carp (which they overheard from another character in the manga), giving Gen's family some of his rice (not quite as big a deal, since their ostracization by the rest of the town was barely visible in the film) and carrying Gen's hysterical mother to safety when the rest of the family dies in the fire.

I'd like to think the replacement was because it was felt that if there wasn't enough time to do Mr. Pak properly it was better not to do him at all. That's what I'd like to think, anyway.

Another omission is that in the manga Gen has two older brothers: Akira, who was evacuated to the countryside, and Kouji, who joined the navy to stop people from calling his family cowards and traitors. While it's understandable, it does create a slight implausibility: In the manga, the older brothers return after the war, and the family (eventually) lives in a shack that, to quote Gen, "We worked hard to build." In the anime, Gen apparently builds the shack himself (I suppose his mother helped, but she's taking care of a newborn baby and so malnourished she can barely-when at all-give milk). The shack isn't as (relatively) nice as in the manga, but still...

Incidentally, the books have had at least three American publishers. As far as my own copies go, the first two are by Penguin, the third by Last Gasp, and the fourth by New Society Publishers (with a sticker on the back cover replacing the New Society info with Last Gasp info-I guess when they got the rights they bought out New Society's stock and rebranded it?). Somewhat amusingly, the Last Gasp on is the only one without the Spiegelman introduction (though judging by their website, subsequent printings do).

Incidentally, Clarissa, I realize you were probably just using Best Buy as an example, but I love to be nit-picky, so I wanted to point out that Gen (at least this release) does not appear to have ever been available on their shelves. Available for special order or the website, yes, but never available at their stores. The reason I know this is that I kept track of the availability date and planned to stop by BB on my way to work. Imagine my surprise when I couldn't find it on the shelf. Imagine my further surprise when I checked their website and saw "Store Pickup: Not Available"

Fortunately I found the film on sale at Suncoast shortly thereafter, but I've checked the Best Buy site periodically since then, and it always said the same. Tilt-and-scan DBZ? Sure! Got plenty of those on the shelf! An important serious film in its original Academy ratio? Nah!

E. Bernhard Warg
(the vest has an umbrella in it...)

Anonymous said...

EBW:

The only time I found the Barefoot Gen anime on store shelves was when it belonged to Streamline and Image Video. The only "violent" anime I've seen at Best Buy includes Elfen Lied and Gantz. I'd imagine if GenDV could spin it as a Faces of Death laugh-a-thon like the insensitive fucks at http://youtube.com/watch?v=VPpolLyU6J4&mode=related&search=
, Gen would get more attention-albeit for the wrong reasons.

As for the previous comment on why Grave is more "popular" than Gen, I think it's because it connects with you more on an emotional level, while Gen doesn't have that same resonance. It might help if the author didn't make the characters
so easy-going, because it hurts the realism of the situation.

Anonymous said...

Man I sure hope y'all keep cramming tired internet memes into Otaku USA! When I see them, I think "haha, that's from the internet, and *I* use the internet! This magazine is really the one for me!"

Please figure out a way to work "all your base" into the next issue!

TJ said...

About the whole "1st manga published in america" thing...

The story I keep hearing is that in the early 80s, Fred Schodt translated a few volumes of The Rose Of Versailles to teach English to native Japanese speakers, and that was the first manga published in America. I'm pretty sure you didn't mention that on your show so I just thought I'd tell you.

Oh yeah, Clarissa, thanks a lot for that review of Suzuka. I was actually considering picking up the 1st DVD because I thought it was going to be a sports show, but now I can see that it's just more garbage from The Vile Spectre Of Moe. Thanks for saving me $20.

I still have yet to listen to Gerald's Otakon segment, but that picture of the doujinshi is extremely interesting. I was going to start on my homework, but after seeing that, I think my priorities have shifted :).

Steve Harrison said...

So, wait, I'm seen as a full time hater now? Daryl is surprised I've not said something negitive about Tekkaman Blade?

Geeze o Pete guys...

OK, fine, what's wrong with MB's release of Tekkaman Blade:

Mediablasters did SUCK ASS publicity on this title. Except for the release announcements on Anime on DVD, I can't recall seeing a SINGLE FUCKING AD for this. Maybe I'm not reading the right magazines or something.

MB didn't help things with their 'mystery release' pattern, where they would announce a date, change the date, ship the product to street on the ORIGINAL date, so you've got some folks picking up their copies on or near the originally soclicitated street date and others waiting the extra months...

And then there's the fact it took SO LONG for the second and third sets to ship. Way to build momentum, guys. Nothing says loving like 4 months between volumes.

What's the deal with the Teknoman bullshit names partnered with the Tekkaman Blade names in the credits roll?

Why do they bury the production credits for the release? Are they ashamed?

Liner notes. This release really needed liner notes, most of all to discuss the genesis of the 'bonus episodes'..I'm sure there's people out there who watched those and shouted "WTF?!".

It should have been dubbed as its own release. Tekkaman Blade had the potential to reach a broader market (fangirls in particular, the Takaya/Shinya dynamic alone is fraught with Yaoi undertones), and sadly there's just too many people out there who WILL NOT watch a sub only release, which makes no sense at all given the folks who dote on fansubs. Is there a divide between the CN otaku and the fansub otaku that I've missed?

OK, enough. I loved the release. The packaging is classy, the price/episode ratio was just right, I give them props for including the bonus animation (it would have been easy not to), the transfer seems fine, I can't recall any obvious spelling screwups (altho the sub font is small and really needed to have that 'drop shadow' behind it for better clarity), it did get a little annoying with people's names at times (using one name for the sub while the chara was clearly saying a different name, such as Aki shouting 'D Boy' and the sub said Takaya) but overall I'd call it a 4 1/2 stars release (minus a half for lack of much needed liner notes).

As to John S. being surprised by Tekkaman Blade selling better than Teknoman, well DUH...I've only seen like ONE volume of Teknoman show up ANYWHERE and that's at FYE, while Tekkaman Blade hit the shelf at Best Buy in quantity. At their sell price of $19.99 per set it's a killer deal.

But, ya know, it wouldn't have hurt to PROMOTE IT, guys....sheesh. And the MB website SUCKS.

I hope MB does as good a job with GoLion. I KNOW that the Voltron fans who pick that up will be PUNCHED IN THE GUT by it, they're not expecting the truth at all, not at all...(that being the show is both insanely violent yet really really dumb too)

And where's my Latitude Zero? Screw all that other stuff, it's time for the Bath of Immunity!

Anonymous said...

My only complaint about the MB's Tekkaman Blade release is that that packaging inexplicably says "Star Knight" instead of "Space Knight," though I guess I also have to agree with Steve about the lack of publicity. I knew Media Blasters planned to release the series at some point, but was surprised when I saw volumes 1 and 2 on sale at Suncoast. I bought both, and then kept an eye on the release date for volume 3 (which I also bought at Suncoast...stupid local Best Buys...)

E. Bernhard Warg
"Kamen no shita no namida o nugue"

Anonymous said...

tj: "The story I keep hearing is that in the early 80s, Fred Schodt translated a few volumes of The Rose Of Versailles to teach English to native Japanese speakers, and that was the first manga published in America. I'm pretty sure you didn't mention that on your show so I just thought I'd tell you."

I'm guessing he probably
translated it, but it never got published.

"Oh yeah, Clarissa, thanks a lot for that review of Suzuka. I was actually considering picking up the 1st DVD because I thought it was going to be a sports show, but now I can see that it's just more garbage from The Vile Spectre Of Moe. Thanks for saving me $20."

Eyeshield will eventually be on dvd, but instead of moe, its content(i.e. music) is emo. Think you can handle it?

steve: "Mediablasters did SUCK ASS publicity on this title. Except for the release announcements on Anime on DVD, I can't recall seeing a SINGLE FUCKING AD for this. Maybe I'm not reading the right magazines or something."

If you wanna be fair, they haven't done much promoting lately in general. They were bitching about the first season of Ah My Goddess doing poorly for them, but, other than some print ads, they didn't put up an official site for it or even take advantage of MySpace like Sony's done with Paprika. They also skipped last year's AX, which makes me wonder where they're headed in the future.

"It should have been dubbed as its own release. Tekkaman Blade had the potential to reach a broader market (fangirls in particular, the Takaya/Shinya dynamic alone is fraught with Yaoi undertones),"

I disagree there. Tekkaman wasn't a chick show then, and it wouldn't be one now. Though I think it might have helped if they had said something like "From the studio which gave you "Karas" on the cover.

Anonymous said...

...it did get a little annoying with people's names at times (using one name for the sub while the chara was clearly saying a different name, such as Aki shouting 'D Boy' and the sub said Takaya)

That bothered me a little bit, but fortunately it wasn't one like, say, G Gundam, where there's great importance attached to whether or not Domon Kasshu addresses his older brother as "Big Brother" ("Niisan") or his given name ("Kyo[u]ji"), but the subs almost invariably say "Kyoji."

I'd better switch topics before I go on about how the intro should be "I would like, if I may, to..." and not "I would like to, if I may, ..."

I'm guessing [Fred Schodt] probably
translated [Rose of Versailles], but it never got published.


Actually, he translated it twice. First he translated it so it could be adapted into an English language live action film. He didn't make a copy for himself, so a few years later when the publisher Sanyusha decided do publish an English translation of the manga to teach English to native Japanese speakers, Schodt had to translate it a second time (he told the story in an article in Mangajin issue 12 entitled "A Tale of Two Translations"). Two volumes were published in Japan, and while there doesn't appear to have been a US publisher, copies were imported to the US, and an excerpt from the first volume was printed in Manga! Manga! with different lettering and a few very minor textual changes.

E. Bernhard Warg
"Oscaaaaaaaarrrrrr!!!"

Sub said...

What I know about Suzuka is that whatever the story eventually did with itself, I have never seen so many fans so consistently, deeply angry over the plotline of a manga. I remember a year back or so, a thread would pop up on 4chan every week, and without fail, this deep and intense hatred would pour on in for 30 or so posts. It was as though Suzuka had told Anonymous that while she really likes him, you know, as a friend, like a brother, that he's just not her type, and she hopes he understands.

halojones-fan said...

SUPERCON:

Maybe the organization was a sort of underhanded way to make people pay attention to the other guests. It sounds like just about everyone was there to get signatures from Kevin Conroy; so they cleverly set things up so that the huge line for that would go right past all the other guests. Everyone would be FORCED to at least notice the other guests; as opposed to sticking them off in some room by themselves where they'd be totally ignored.

SUZUKA:

The problem with the show is that it just sounds so completely generic; like the writers just took flash-cards and put them all together.

You make a good point about how the only really good "shounen romance" (i.e. harem) show is Tenchi Muyo. The problem is that the genre, in recent years, has gone into this navel-gazing spiral of fan-reinforcement; so either you have crashingly dull cliche-fest harem shows, or sickeningly cute moe stuff.

OTAKON:

So from the sound of things, if somebody made an actual anime out of the anime-podcasting scene, Erin would be the tsundere.

Anonymous said...

halojones: "You make a good point about how the only really good "shounen romance" (i.e. harem) show is Tenchi Muyo."

You mean UY, right? And how come no mention of KOR?

Clarissa said...

I guess I tend to think of UY as more of a comedy show than "shounen romance."

Also, I'll admit to the fact that I haven't actually watched KOR. I know what it's about and who the main characters are from hearing people talk about it and seeing clips, but I've just never gotten around to it. I guess there's too many other shows that I want to watch more, that I still need to catch up on.

Behonkiss said...

Holy shit!

I'm sure you guys will talk about this regardless of notifications, but iTunes just put up Black Jack, Phoenix, and the 80s Astro Boy series!

Anonymous said...

behonkiss: Which Black Jack?

Clarissa said...

It's the OAVs which were released by CPM. Those and the movie are the only thing licensed, sadly. I hope the 2 new series and the new movie (Kirikoooo~) get picked up.

Rheinhard said...

I only just started listening to this episode today but had to comment on the Cream Chipped Beef on Toast (yum!)...

My Dad makes this splendidly and although I am sure it's bad for you in at least a dozen ways (like most tasty things) it really is good. He points out though that when he was in the Army in the early 60s it was a frequent staple, but the common name for it among the grunts was "SOS" (for "Shit on Shingles")!

Popcorn Samurai said...

On the Itunes store right now in the upper right hand cornor there is a big picutre of Astro Boy and it says: Classic Anime just added from Tezuka productions. They have 13 episodes of Phoenix for 9.99. They also have Astro Boy and Black Jack. WOW

TJ said...

To add to the Tezuka-Itunes thing...

Apparently Itunes is also now, along with Phoenix and what not, carrying many of Tezuka's experimental shorts, including Tales Of A Street Corner (the 1st anime produced by Mushi Productions). I have to research this further, but if this is in fact true, then it's a great day for American anime fandom!

Eeeper said...

Hey, if you guys got an email from me relating to the iTunes adding Tezuka's stuff to the catalogue, ignore it. I'm not paying attention to the comments page at AWO enough.

young freud said...

I have a copy of "I Saw It" somewhere in bunch of boxes that I picked up at a discount bin at an A-Kon a few years back. I regard it as an awesome find. I believe it was put out by some company called Educomics with no ads, so there might be some truth to the story that it was published by an anti-war group. I can vividly recall the image of the student whose black school uniform absorbed the radiation from the explosion, causing it to melt into his skin. Another poignant image is the scene when his mother finally succumbs to radiation poisioning and the author, in his 20s, is looking over her remains after she's cremated and remarks that "there's no bones. There should be some bones. The radiation took even that from us."

The comic is much likely more autobiographical than Gen, even though the mangaka is draws himself as Gen.

sequitur said...

You guys getting all political were nauseating in it self but, please, ‘Barefoot Gen’ is a fictional work by someone who happened to be in a vicinity of Hiroshima when the Bomb was dropped. It is not factual. Oh, don’t get me wrong, I like ‘Hadashi no Gen’. It has a certain awkward charm to it kind a like semi incoherent rambling of an angry old man has. But people taking it as a some kind of a true description of the Hiroshima are bit unnerving. Changing scenes like Gen witnessing his siblings and mother’s death when in fact author never did? I can accept them as an artistic license. But what about facts like troops stationed in Hiroshima were British Commonwealth forces in actual History? When Gen meets those foreign soldiers, they should have been Brits, Aussies, or even Indians, but all of them just happen to be an American. Clearly, Keiji Nakazawa has an agenda. I don’t know why a Japanese listener needs to defend America from American anime podcasters on the subject of atomic bomb but here you go.


(For someone questioning Mr. Pak/Mr. Boku thing, that’s just a case of two different readings of a same kanji.)

Anonymous said...

For someone questioning Mr. Pak/Mr. Boku thing, that’s just a case of two different readings of a same kanji.

I wasn't questioning the name change so much as the fact that the film made no mention of him being Korean. And are you certain that both names are written with the same kanji?

E. Bernhard Warg
(Damn! Now I have to import the Japanese Gen manga to check for myself!)

Carl Horn said...

Aw, for fuck's sake. Sure, Keiji Nakazawa has an agenda--try to understand why this happened, in hopes it doesn't happen again. There is nothing of the angry old man about BAREFOOT GEN; angry young man is more like it--Nakazawa was 34 years old when he began, writing about experiences that occured when he was six. He didn't "happen to be in the vicinity" of Hiroshima when the bomb dropped; he lived there. Nakazawa didn't do BAREFOOT GEN as a substitute for autobiography; he has also told the story of what happened to him and his family specifically in I SAW IT.

I believe it was necessary to drop the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to get the Japanese government to surrender, and that the alternatives would have been worse, both for America and Japan. But I also believe, as does Keiji Nakazawa, that the war was not necessary, and was one of Japan's choosing, driven by an imperialist and racist agenda for hegemony in Asia that cost millions of lives, most of them not Japanese.

Nakazawa discusses all of this and more in BAREFOOT GEN. He is definitely not one of those people who thinks Japan was fighting for a noble cause until all of a sudden the evil Americans dropped an atomic bomb on his country for no reason. But he also believed that the sentiments and propaganda that surround a war are not unique to Japan; other nations can fall prey to them. AWO heard a few things in BAREFOOT GEN that sounded a bit familiar.

It is true that there were non-American troops stationed in Hiroshima during the Occupation, but Japan was not like Germany, where policies were determined by the Four Powers; it was for all practical purposes a unitary American zone driven by American policy directives. Although Commonwealth soldiers, most particularly the Australians, played a significant role in the fight against Japan, the actual campaign against the mainland, not to mention the strategic bombing campaign against Japan, and of course the atomic bomb itself, was largely an American show. To not show encounters with Commonwealth soldiers does not distort the political realities of postwar Japan; the British, Australians, and Indians made few decisions that would have affected Keiji Nakazawa as a boy, whereas the Americans made ones that still affect his life today.

Bad as everything else modern war can do, nuclear weapons are the worst of all. There have been many wars since 1945, but no one has dared use these bombs again, and part of the reason is the example of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The lesson, too, could have been a lot worse. If for some reason the war had ended before the atomic bombs were actually used, their first use in warfare might have come later, in the 1950s or 60s--at a time when more than one country had them, so that their use would have triggered an exchange, and many more lives lost than in the atomic bombings of 1945. Maybe the warning they gave the future was in the end more important than the sins of the past they punished.

--C.

Anonymous said...

carl: "I believe it was necessary to drop the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to get the Japanese government to surrender, and that the alternatives would have been worse, both for America and Japan."

Wow, you're very pragmatic for a Japanophile. I would've imagined you'd lean closer to Oshii's viewpoints. I don't entirely feel the bombings were necessary, since I agree with the possibility that it was really about the U.S. trying to beat the Soviets to the finish line. However, as long as the Japanese keep backing down on the comfort women issue, I can't entirely sympathize with the pain of the victims.

"But I also believe, as does Keiji Nakazawa, that the war was not necessary, and was one of Japan's choosing, driven by an imperialist and racist agenda for hegemony in Asia that cost millions of lives, most of them not Japanese."

Does Nakazawa acknowledge the racism in his books? From what I understand, I've only heard the Japanese concede the war as an imperialist venture, not one of genocide. Or at least the way the LDP keeps trying to white-out its own history books makes me believe that, anyway. [I wanted to ask Takahata's thoughts on the subject of revisionism after he admitted that it was Japan's fault for invading China. But I stopped, because I thought having to blame the same country in which you were attacked for the suffering you endured already shows a lot of courage. In fact, people were in the audience were applauding when he made that statement. This was at that L.A. screening of Grave of the Fireflies, which didn't get much attention, in spite of a report at http://www.animenewsservice.com/archives/takahata.htm
. ] But a guy I knew said he met a Japanese girl who didn't know a thing about Nanking until he brought her to a survivor.

"There have been many wars since 1945, but no one has dared use these bombs again,"

You're almost correct. We're still waiting for Bush to fuck even more by using them on Iran.

Carl Horn said...

Definitely. A scene that made a big impression on me as a kid (I first read BAREFOOT GEN when I was 11) is Gen's dad literally hitting him across the room for singing a song making fun of Koreans. Gen is genuinely bewildered as to why he did it, since "everyone says Koreans and Chinese are stupid." His dad tells him it's propaganda made up to support the war, and shows images of them being worked to death as conscript labor, saying "it makes me ashamed to be Japanese." The dad then says "you should respect men of any nationality." Obviously it's a lecture, but the point is Nakazawa wanted the young readers of BAREFOOT GEN (it originally ran in Shonen Jump!) to understand that the war wasn't for the liberation of Asia--unless "liberation" meant replacing European colonial masters with Japanese colonial masters.

I love Isao Takahata, and I feel that GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES is also a story about specific people and not merely an "anti-war" story. In both stories, we see that a lot of the suffering the main characters endure is from their neighbors and "fellow Japanese"--even in times of total war, some people still have more than others, and look out for their own interests instead of helping. Seita and Setsuko would not have been on their path to death had it not been for our firebombing of Kobe, but in the end it wasn't the Americans who abandoned them to their fate. Takahata, I understand, has gone farther, and blamed Seita's pride for his and his sister's fate, although considering his age, condemning his poor judgement perhaps seems a bit too harsh.

I'm not blase about what we did to Japan--it was brutal and ruthless, even if I think it was the best of an already horrible situation. I also think that the Japanese should never have felt ashamed about losing to us, per se. It's not like they were ever cowards or didn't put up a good fight--in the end it took fucking *ATOMIC BOMBS* to make them surrender. Japan was no joke to the people who had to fight against it.

The proper place for the shame is towards the reasons why the war was fought in the first place--but because it is difficult to say noble causes weren't so noble, people tend to transfer the pity and sorrow to the military defeat. I think a similar thing happened with the South in American history, which fought with courage and skill, but in a cause that wasn't worthy of those honorable qualities ("It wasn't about owning slaves...it was about states' rights!" "States' rights to do what?" "Well, you know, like...the right to own slaves, for instance!")

Anonymous said...

carl: "Definitely. A scene that made a big impression on me as a kid (I first read BAREFOOT GEN when I was 11) is Gen's dad literally hitting him across the room for singing a song making fun of Koreans."

Interesting. I remember a Korean reviewer at IMDB being offended by Grave of the Fireflies, because he(she?) felt it trivialized Japanese mistreatment of SE Asians during the war. I'd kind of like to check the manga and/or anime out when I can still hold my lunch....

"(it originally ran in Shonen Jump!)"

Considering this is the mag which spawned Hokuto No Ken and Riki Oh, I'm not really surprised Gen made it to Jump.

"--even in times of total war, some people still have more than others, and look out for their own interests instead of helping."

Nowadays we call them chicken-hawks. ^_-

"Takahata, I understand, has gone farther, and blamed Seita's pride for his and his sister's fate, although considering his age, condemning his poor judgement perhaps seems a bit too harsh."

I thought it was harsh, because he was in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. If he stayed, he could have just as easily died from firebombing, if not starvation. Plus his aunt was a selfish bitch who seemed removed from the reality of the situation. Still, I do agree that he shouldn't have been so stubborn for so long.

"The proper place for the shame is towards the reasons why the war was fought in the first place--but because it is difficult to say noble causes weren't so noble, people tend to transfer the pity and sorrow to the military defeat."

I'd imagine that, after the first WW, they learned from the West that, to get what they wanted, they'd have to resort to imperialism. The Japanese were war-like before, but back in the feudal period, it had more to do with power struggles than the size of their penises.

Anonymous said...

All of Phoenix can be downloaded from iTunes for $9.99. Pretty cheap for 13 episodes of anime. They also have Blackjack and 80s Astro Boy. I'd imagine they are dubbed.

sequitur said...

I wasn't questioning the name change so much as the fact that the film made no mention of him being Korean. And are you certain that both names are written with the same kanji?

His name is "朴", Japanese reading of it is "Boku" while Korean reading of it is "Pak". The name alone makes it clear for audience, at least ethnically, that Mr. Pak/Mr. Boku is a Korean as it is a common Korean family name. This change was actually criticized as historical inaccuracies since reading of Korean name in Korean way is a fairly modern thing.


Aw, for fuck's sake. Sure, Keiji Nakazawa has an agenda--try to understand why this happened, in hopes it doesn't happen again. There is nothing of the angry old man about BAREFOOT GEN; angry young man is more like it--Nakazawa was 34 years old when he began, writing about experiences that occured(sic) when he was six.

You mean there isn't anti-American agenda in it? Maybe things were changed in English translation, but 'Hadashi no Gen' is dripping with pure hatred of America. Changing Allied forces made up of Commonwealth troops into an all American troop is just one instance of it. And I wasn't referring to the author's age when I described 'Barefoot Gen' as a ranting of angry old man, but to the mannerism of it. I think they're two kinds of ranting, angry-old-man type and impressionable-college-student type. The former would be 'Barefoot Gen' and works like 'Oishinbo' and I enjoy these, while the latter would be stuff like 'Gomanism' and such which I avoid. Both types like to get on their soapbox but while former lacks condescending tone and are more like pure venting, the latter has that 'unless you agree with me you are a complete retard' air to it.


I don't entirely feel the bombings were necessary, since I agree with the possibility that it was really about the U.S. trying to beat the Soviets to the finish line.

Actually, some Japanese people appreciate that decision. We don't need to look any further than North and South Korea to see what a total tragedy it would have been if surrendering of Japan were delayed even if by a week to allow Soviets to get a hold of Hokkaido or more. Heck, if the bomb were dropped earlier we wouldn't have the sticky territorial dispute between Japan and Russia that is still the biggest issue between the two nations.


Does Nakazawa acknowledge the racism in his books? From what I understand, I've only heard the Japanese concede the war as an imperialist venture, not one of genocide. Or at least the way the LDP keeps trying to white-out its own history books makes me believe that, anyway.

Few months ago 'Barefoot Gen' made news when Japanese Foreign Minister Aso (the favorite politician among the Otaku) distributed English copies of it in Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty meeting, and it got quite a reaction from right wings here in Japan. You see, right wings in Japan hate 'Gen' for their perceived excessive negative portrayal of Japan. They especially take umbrage to Gen's ranting against the Emperor. They feel 'Gen' started off as an anti-American manga but ended up as a flaming anti-Japan manga.

Daryl Surat said...

So in keeping with our dire work ethic for the past...year, there's no new episode this week. The latest raw recording is three and a half hours long, so we'll probably cut it in two. Of course, I have AWA panels I'm so not ready for, and that's two weeks away, so they'll be out when they're done. I've been told that most people using podcatcher software set it up to just download the latest episode in the feed, so if we release both on the same day a lot of people might never get the other part, but that's THEIR problem!

MY problem is that I'm just don't care for understanding the deep secrets of Evangelion (because Neil Nadelman dared to reveal them). The forum posts where people can't understand that Gerald and I are two different people are pretty good too. Mind you, I have no problem with Aaron Clark--in fact, his site's an excellent resource that's worth reading provided you care enough, and there's multiple Carl Horn forum posts!--but from looking at the profiles of the most hilarious anti-Daryl posters, it's no surprise that someone from Ireland is at the bottom of this. It's not MY fault that Garth Ennis totally sucks, dude.

Does Nakazawa acknowledge the racism in his books?

So what you're really saying in this sentence is that you didn't even listen to the podcast? Yet you're posting anyway?

I'd imagine that, after the first WW, they learned from the West that, to get what they wanted, they'd have to resort to imperialism.

I'd imagine that's probably not true considering the small fact that the Sino-Japanese war was about twenty years BEFORE World War I.

'Hadashi no Gen' is dripping with pure hatred of America. Changing Allied forces made up of Commonwealth troops into an all American troop is just one instance of it.

Uh, what? Okay, two things. One: they DO mention the existence of your much-vaunted Commonwealth troops practically every single time the children are forced to recite anti-Allied slogans since they have to curse the Americans and the British. That part I talked about where people were being forced to step on drawings on the sidewalk? The drawings are of Roosevelt and Churchill. Two: as both Gerald and I made specific note of, for whatever amount of anti-foreigner sentiment that gets expressed in Barefoot Gen--sentiment that is explicitly pointed out as being misguided and inaccurate--FAR more time is devoted to all the wrongdoings that the Japanese inflict upon one another as well as others.

Nakazawa's message is not "I hate America because they bombed us and lured our women away with their huge American penises and 'once you go Caucasian, you never go Asian' T-shirts," nor is it "I hate Japan because THAT'S WHAT LIBRULS DO IS HATE THEIR OWN COUNTRY, AM I RITE GUYS?" If people can't decide whether Barefoot Gen is anti-American or anti-Japanese, then maybe, just maybe, that means that it's actually just plain ol' anti-war.

Israfel said...

Eva Moneky (http://www.evamonkey.com/) has, at last, picked up on your hatin' on Eva from episode 15. Check out the comments too!

Daryl Surat said...

You mean the thing I just wrote about and linked to in the comment that's directly above yours? I guess everything I write or say is too long after all, so I may as well keep going along those lines.

Look. We don't really "hate" Evangelion. Hell, most of us bought the super cool Platinum Editions in the individual disc + box release just because we wanted the extras. I happen to think the show itself is "just okay," which is a crime punishable by death among superfans for which the only fathomable response is "clearly you're too stupid to understand and appreciate its genius; watch it again." There's a lot of things that are "average/just okay" with monumentally defensive fans who consider it a life-changing experience, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs the hammer brought down upon them: Firefly, Harry Potter, Watchmen, Sandman, Transmetropolitan, etc. And I've mentioned it as a personal character flaw, but when I watch something and think "well, it wasn't bad or anything, but I don't see what all the fuss is about" and am met with vitriol, that'll make me start not liking it. I shouldn't do that. I should evaluate works on their own merit and "hate the playas, not the game." But I often can't. This is why I'll be waiting a while yet before I watch Haruhi or Ouran anything.

Like I said, my "crime" is watching through Evangelion and not really caring, even when it was through bootleg VHS tapes that preceded ADV's release in the US. I'll respect the show for its influence on shows which followed it, and in that regard it has forever cemented its place in history. I just don't LIKE that influence all that much. TV's Patrick Macias once made the interesting observation that the Japanese Wikipedia entry for Eva contains absolutely nothing regarding analysis or symbolism or "what does it all MEAN?" whereas that accounts for a majority of the English Wikipedia entry for it.

But here's the thing: everyone already knows about Evangelion. If they haven't seen it, either through its multiple releases on video and DVD or through its television broadcast on Adult Swim, they at least know that it exists. It's not like people are going to go check out Evangelion because they never heard about it until hearing us talk about it on this show.

Therefore, it is a better use of our time to talk about things that may not have been quite so intensely scrutinized for over a decade. After I reviewed Gundam SEED Destiny in one of our earliest episodes, I realized it was wholly unnecessary for me to talk about Gundam on this show since anime fans already what Gundam is and whether or not they like it. That's the same reason we've mostly not reviewed Studio Ghibli films or the current Shonen Jump titles everyone's watching every week. It's not that we dislike them, but everyone already knows that stuff is worth watching. There's OTHER stuff out there too.

Someone out there should do a podcast entirely about Gundam. They'd never run out of things to talk about, and no, Destroy All Podcasts DX doesn't quite count. Same thing goes for the Ghibli movies (someone was actually planning this), Pokemon, and yes, Evangelion. You could go through them episode by episode/film by film, or talk about a recurring theme. The Annotated Alchemist podcast did a similar approach for Fullmetal Alchemist. That excerpt from Show 15 is merely stating "if you really want to hear someone talk about that in detail, those guys over there will do a better job than we have the time/inclination/ability for."

Christian said...

Hey, fuck this shit - Fox is about to drop the atomic bomb of AWESOME just in time for my birthday later this month. Just think about the ramifications of 5 extra minutes of Commando that weren't good enough to make it into the movie in the first place. Buy one for your grandmother and then throw a pipe through her chest OOPS SPOILERS!

Régis said...

So, on that note Daryl (the note of talking about things no one knows about) would it be of interest to talk about Kemonozume, Mushishi or the old school classic Future Boy Conan? The latter definitely keeps with the anti-war theme of things, and while yes, it is Miyazaki, I find that it is not that known and quite different from what people expect as "Ghibli." Now I know that Kemonozume was mentioned in passing in a previous episode, but perhaps it deserves more attention? Sorry for the random "hey guys review this" post but, I just thought of mentioning some quality shows to cleanse the palette from the horror of the Humanoid and Angel Cop... especially since it was reviewed TWICE here and on Fast Karate!

PS: thanks for all the show notes on the Barefoot Gen manga. Much appreciated.

Anonymous said...

daryl: "So what you're really saying in this sentence is that you didn't even listen to the podcast? Yet you're posting anyway?"

When are you gonna finish Suzuka before commenting on it?

"I'd imagine that's probably not true considering the small fact that the Sino-Japanese war was about twenty years BEFORE World War I."

But that wasn't really a war of imperialism.

"Look. We don't really "hate" Evangelion."

I do.

"I happen to think the show itself is "just okay," which is a crime punishable by death among superfans for which the only fathomable response is "clearly you're too stupid to understand and appreciate its genius; watch it again."

I like calling them Evantologists. I'm hoping it'll catch on like Narutards.

"There's a lot of things that are "average/just okay" with monumentally defensive fans who consider it a life-changing experience, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs the hammer brought down upon them: Firefly, Harry Potter, Watchmen, Sandman, Transmetropolitan, etc."

You have some balls going after Watchmen. Not that I liked it much, either, but Alan Moore made it possible for comic companies to cash in on shitty endings, and I guess he deserves credit for that for some reason. Anyway, I still feel sorry for him that the Wachowskis raped V for Vendetta.

"Like I said, my "crime" is watching through Evangelion and not really caring, even when it was through bootleg VHS tapes that preceded ADV's release in the US."

Yeah, well just consider it karma for them cashing on Daicon without paying the proper copyright holders, either. Hell, I saw FLCL fansubbed and legally, and it sucked, too. That's why I like to call them Great Hacks. There are a other anime I'm gradually paying for, just so I can get some good karma myself, [Though it's a shame I couldn't do that for VGAi, as that's the only Katsura series I can stand...]but I really don't feel like doing it for Eva. In fact, I'd sooner to it for Macross 7 than Eva, since at least Macross 7 doesn't suffer from the same pretension as the latter series.
I'm paying to be entertained, not to sit through Anno's personal baggage.

"I'll respect the show for its influence on shows which followed it,"

Shows with whiny and annoying teens isn't what I'd consider to be a major influence.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, I forgot. http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Site/ThumbnailEvangelion01

Erwin Rosales said...

Daryl is right, I mean I have watch Haruhi and it is not nothing out of the extraordinary and Ouran is good but is good because there is nothing of the romance crap that every harem show shows.

I liked the original ending of Evangelion but I do not own anything Eva, AWO helped me in the way that I re discovered old anime and old creators that I enjoyed in the past, such as Tezuka.

Back in the day I used to watch the 80's Astroboy and I never thought that the same mind would create Ode to Hirihito and Phoenix ( not to say that there is anything wrong with astro but in some aspects is a kids show while Kirihito and Phoenix cannot be fully appreciated with a 7 to 12 years old mentality, and now not to say that they are dumb but at that age I was thinking about different stuff))

Also we need a Podcast about Gundam people, I would definately would like the episode in which they talk about G Gundam .... well I guess all my words went down the drain, right?
Well I do not care G-Gundam was AWESOME!

CitizenGeek said...

Ah, I see you've realised that Eva Monkey picked up on your mentioning of their forum in ep 15. Yes, 'twas I that reported your tirade against Evangelion to the EvaMonkey masses! Well, I didn't actually "report" it, I just mentioned that I'd found the site through it's mentioning in ep 15 of AWO and then Aaron Clark investigated and that resulted in the news item.

Anyway, I don't really mind that you dislike Evangelion - it's the fact you said RahXephon was superior that really made me wonder! I mean W-T-F?! Also, you said that you don't cover Eva because, much like Gundam and the Ghibli films, everyone has heard of them. This is true, yeah - but I would have thought that would be a reason to cover Evangelion, rather than a reason not to. I'm pretty sure people that have put up with listening to you guys for 58 episodes would like to know what you think of these popular shows - I know I would! So, get to work on it! You could talk about the Rebuild movie too and all that!

Besides, everyone knows that Clarissa's opinion is the most important and she didn't say much about Evangelion in ep 15!

@Gerald: In your (very enjoyable, btw!) OtaKon report you said you went to an Irish restaraunt called Tír na NÓg - just want to let you know that you pronounced that wrong. It's 'Teer neh Nouge (with the 'ouge' sounding as it does in rouge)" rather than "Teer nah Nogg" - LOL

Keep up with good work Surat, Rathkolb and Graffeo!

CitizenGeek said...

Also, Daryl - I'm not anti-Daryl! How dare you accuse me of such a thing! In fact, I praised your podcast on those forums! I'm just "anti-Daryl" when you rip on my favorite anime, just like anyone would be!

^_^

Tim Eldred said...

What is it with all the hate? I thought Eva was just a TV show.

I for one am grateful that we have easy access to so much anime that what we love can peacefully co-exist with what we don't. And I have yet to experience a single personal conversation with anyone that ends with us spitting poison at each other over our differences. That sort of behavior seems to exist only online where everyone can shoot off their virtual mouths without looking each other in the eye. Come to think of it, this also happened in various fanzines, newsletters, and APAs, that existed pre-internet. That was another case where nobody had to look each other in the eye.

Looks like talking is still better than typing.

Anonymous said...

erwin: "not to say that there is anything wrong with astro but in some aspects is a kids show while Kirihito and Phoenix cannot be fully appreciated with a 7 to 12 years old mentality,"

I was interested in Phoenix when I read about it in Fred's Dreamland Japan book in my mid-teens. But then I liked adult material even back then, and I was bored with the Bays and Emmerichs of the world. I just wish Banana Fish didn't end up sucking, because Fred made it look really cool, when all it did was rip off Akira's art style, without its approach to story-telling. But yeah, AWO, no one talks about BF, so there's another title you can cover.

Spankminister said...

Re: Kenji Kodama and Michihiko Suwa, I feel bad for not going since City Hunter and Detective Conan are my favorite shows ever, but part of me is more interested in what they produce than the inner workings of how they do it.

And Daryl, who's this Barefoot Jen you keep talking about in the show, and is she hot?

Erwin Rosales said...

What is Banana fish?
Also mid teen years I guess are between thirteen and nineteen so I guess that would be around fifteen and sixteen, and not between 7 and 12, right?
You have to help me here cuz English is not my first language :P

Anonymous said...

erwin: "What is Banana fish?"

A shonen-ai version of Akira.

http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/3txg70jXfyDswJJnkM/browse/item/61995/4/0/0

"Also mid teen years I guess are between thirteen and nineteen so I guess that would be around fifteen and sixteen, and not between 7 and 12, right?"

Yeah, but many people are pretty immature at 15 and 16, too. And judging by the success of Transformers, some people never grow up.

exedore said...

Yeah, but many people are pretty immature at 15 and 16, too. And judging by the success of Transformers, some people never grow up.

A friend once saw a picture from a transformers con with a baby in a shirt that read "Trans-fans: We start them young". She was incredibly pissed that so many adults (at least enough to make such a shirt profitable) could forget that it's a show for 5 year olds (and one that nobody in Japan watches).

Erwin Rosales said...

I am only hoping that the Robotech life action movie earns enough money for the Macross: Do You Remember Love? movie to be released in the states.
But then again it can back fired in a really horrible way :(
Spider-man do it RIGHT!

Steve Harrison said...

The success or failure of the proposed live action Robotech movie has not one thing to do with Bandai Visual USA choosing to release Macross: Do You Remember Love in the U.S.

And yet, in a way, it DOES.

I think Harmony Gold sees their little eternal cash cow about to be taken away. We've got this big whoop-de-do anniversery for Macross coming up, Bandai is the master licenser for all manner of goodies, and the bizzaro eternal contract HG somehow snaked out of Tatsunoko and Big West is gonna keep them from pouring stuff out all over the world, because sure as shit Bandai has no interest in paying HG any royalties just to place Macross stuff in Korea and Singapore and maybe, maybe even in the US.

Tatsunoko and Big West have tried several times to break HG's contract but the courts have sided with HG, mostly because they can't find a reason NOT to. but now, there's precedent.

There's been a similar case with Tsuburaya and Ultraman, where a contract to export and license overseas could't be broken even in the face of what surely looks like obvious forgery. Finally common sense prevailed and Tsuburaya won. Not that this has resulted in a sudden flood of Ultraman coming to the US, because Tsuburaya doesn't know SHIT about what to do or how to do it to get here, but that's another issue for another time.

What's partially held Tatsunoko and Big West back from rescuing Macross from Harmony Gold has been money. They just couldn't pour endless money into the suit. But now that Bandai has a vested interest in rolling out huge amounts of Macross stuff across the globe, THEY might chip in and make something happen.

And that's why I think HG is suddenly gung-ho over a live movie. You damn well KNOW that there won't be a drop of Macross to be seen in it and everything will look maybe kinda LIKE Macross but it won't. I'd expect some name changes too, the names that were more-or-less carried over from Macross like Roy Focker.

Which at some point COULD result in Macross :DYRL getting a US release. Assuming Bandai Visual USA is still in business then....

Anonymous said...

steve: "The success or failure of the proposed live action Robotech movie has not one thing to do with Bandai Visual USA choosing to release Macross: Do You Remember Love in the U.S."

I think DYRL is still tied up with that *other* kid company which liked to ruin anime before the one which picked up Pokemon. ( http://www.pelleas.net/aniBBS/viewtopic.php?t=65&start=0
http://www.pelleas.net/aniBBS/viewtopic.php?t=23&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45
)
Animeigo said that they tried looking into it, but don't know who has it.

It'd be nice if we got Dallos one day, too, but BV will probably charge an arm and a leg for it. I suggest y'all find leftover or used copies of the CPM Patlabor before that gets a price-jacking from them, too.

"We've got this big whoop-de-do anniversery for Macross coming up, Bandai is the master licenser for all manner of goodies, and the bizzaro eternal contract HG somehow snaked out of Tatsunoko and Big West is gonna keep them from pouring stuff out all over the world, because sure as shit Bandai has no interest in paying HG any royalties just to place Macross stuff in Korea and Singapore and maybe, maybe even in the US."

I'm not sure why HG should be the fall-guy here. Tatsunoko and Big West should've settled their ownership issues 25 years ago, not
drag it out in court like Nishizaki's been doing with Yamato-thus keeping me from seeing the Japanese versions of the show without paying shitty import prices. (Yeah, Toei's likely to blame for the hold-up, too, but I'm sure it'd be less of an issue if they weren't worried about being sued by either him or Matsumoto before the case is resolved.)

"Not that this has resulted in a sudden flood of Ultraman coming to the US, because Tsuburaya doesn't know SHIT about what to do or how to do it to get here, but that's another issue for another time."

That's not really fair to Tsuburaya. The one good thing 4Kids
did was for Ultraman Tiga: They kept the Japanese actors instead of going the Saban route and casting talentless gaijin in their place.
But that show still bombed, because
Saban killed the genre with Superhero Samurai Cyber Squad, and kids moved on to anime knock-offs like Loonatics.(
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/223809 )

Although there were kids who've gone to the Godzilla subbed screenings I've attended, but Godzilla's more iconic here than Ultraman, anyway. (That Australian remake probably didn't help matters much, either, since it had a crappy timeslot, even though it was so much better than the Saban versions of sentai shows.)

"What's partially held Tatsunoko and Big West back from rescuing Macross from Harmony Gold has been money. They just couldn't pour endless money into the suit. But now that Bandai has a vested interest in rolling out huge amounts of Macross stuff across the globe, THEY might chip in and make something happen."

Yeah, I really want Bandai Visual to have Macross, so I can pay four times what I currently do for what's already out there. And I really want to be raped up the ass by a Japanese record company's fees for the shitty music played in Macross 7.

At least they're not yet as bad as American record companies[*cough* WKRP *cough*], but they could easily take a loss on certain song fees and get more exposure and sales here, instead of just demanding the money upfront and cutting songs out of certain shows when they don't get paid. It's that kind of short-sighted thinking which killed One Piece's chances of success in the U.S.

Anyway, rant aside, middle-men like HG are great if they keep prices down for me. However, they suck when they keep prices up.

"And that's why I think HG is suddenly gung-ho over a live movie. You damn well KNOW that there won't be a drop of Macross to be seen in it and everything will look maybe kinda LIKE Macross but it won't."

If it's anything like that Michael Baytion movie, Stealth will probably look more like Macross/Robotech than it.

Anonymous said...

There's been a similar case with Tsuburaya and Ultraman, where a contract to export and license overseas could't be broken even in the face of what surely looks like obvious forgery. Finally common sense prevailed and Tsuburaya won.

Are you sure? If Tsuburaya won, why, when BCI contacted them, were they told that Chaiyo had the US rights? I bought the DVDs as soon as they were released over here, but I'd be willing to re-buy them if they were equal to the Japanese ones, with digitally restored picture, original mono and remixed stereo for each episode (plus one 5.1 track per four eps) and, especially, Mighty P-Man!, but it seems rather that Chaiyo still has the rights, so all we can get is what BCI has already put out (which isn't bad, but could have been so much better if they'd been able to get their source material from Tsuburaya).

I would love to be proven wrong on this.

Speaking of proving me wrong...

His name is "朴", Japanese reading of it is "Boku" while Korean reading of it is "Pak". The name alone makes it clear for audience, at least ethnically, that Mr. Pak/Mr. Boku is a Korean as it is a common Korean family name. This change was actually criticized as historical inaccuracies since reading of Korean name in Korean way is a fairly modern thing.

So if I understand you correctly, a Japanese audience watching the film in 1983 would have known he was Korean from his name? And the alternate reading may just have been to make the film more historically accurate? If so, it's nice to know that the film didn't tone things on the "pre-bomb" (for want of a better term) side down quite as much as I thought.

Hell, most of us bought the super cool Platinum Editions in the individual disc + box release just because we wanted the extras.

I bought the slimcase release, which, as per ADV's policy at the time, was sans extras. I've wondered if I missed anything, but the one "non-slim" Platinum volume I glanced at would seem to indicate I'm not missing much, as all it had was animatics of one ep (interesting, but not worth the extra money), and dub actor commentary on another.

I happen to think the show itself is "just okay," which is a crime punishable by death among superfans for which the only fathomable response is "clearly you're too stupid to understand and appreciate its genius; watch it again"

What gets me are the Evantologists like the ones who appeared on Otaku Generation a while back who claimed to be experts but never bothered to research who to pronounce "Seele." I mean, did they not listen to the dialogue when reading the subs? Or did they watch the dub, where it's pronounced at least three different ways (I need to check the exact number again...)? As a German speaker, I find that Japanese actually does a pretty accurate job of pronouncing many German words (that's individual words--sentences, *shudder!* as perhaps appropriately proven by the very series were discussing). Don't get me started on Berg Katze or Michael Ende...

E. Bernhard Warg
"Hikari no kuni kara bokura no tame ni..."

Carl Horn said...

I understand that in order to avoid any possible litigation, Skull Squadron leader's name will be changed to simply "Roy Fucker."

When comparing Akimi Yoshida's art style to Otomo's, it's important to make the caveat that the resemblance stops at character designs. However, page for page, volume for volume, BANANA FISH has considerably *more* plot than AKIRA. It's not necessarily a better or a worse plot--it depends on your tastes--but just, more plot. Characters and plot are really all Yoshida is interested in; to her (as they would not be to Otomo) the implements and backgrounds are unimportant.

I'm sure Sonoda, Ito, or Hiroe would wince at her portrayal of a revolver in Ash's hand, which is more likely to look like a zip gun than something turned out by Dan Wesson. But Yoshida is not particularly interested in guns per se; rather, the fact that Ash is good at this sort of violence and faces up to the consequences of it. How cool the gun itself looks doesn't matter to her. That isn't a criticism of weapons fetishism in manga; just that I accept what Yoshida is trying to do, because I believe in her case it works. And, without criticizing shojo either (you can't be a real man without liking some shojo--science doesn't yet understand why), Yoshida succeeded without leaning on the flowers, flourishes, and sparkles on which her genre often leans. And as Shaenon Garrity pointed out, BANANA FISH is one of the few shojo manga ever written to contain the line "He's got a grenade launcher!"

I'm a supporter of both EvaMonkey and AWO, so, you know, yeah.

Anonymous said...

carl: "However, page for page, volume for volume, BANANA FISH has considerably *more* plot than AKIRA. It's not necessarily a better or a worse plot--it depends on your tastes--but just, more plot. Characters and plot are really all Yoshida is interested in;"

Yeah, but BF has none of the mystery or suspense of Akira. The author explains everything from the get-go, giving you little time to get attached to the characters or setting.

"But Yoshida is not particularly interested in guns per se; rather, the fact that Ash is good at this sort of violence and faces up to the consequences of it."

I just don't buy that side of his character, either. He comes off too much like a powder-keg to ever be
considered remorseful. He doesn't have a psychopathic streak in him, but I don't buy him as a motivated or organized leader, either.

"And, without criticizing shojo either (you can't be a real man without liking some shojo--science doesn't yet understand why),"

I love Mars myself, but have very few titles I really like. Aishiteruze Baby came close, but the manga-ka kept playing it safe and prevented it from being a classic. I did get a kick out of Utena, but the second season was kind of weak. I used to trash shojo a lot more than I do nowadays, though, so I guess I am warming up to the genre. Still, I'm mostly reading shonen and seinen stuff, because the women don't feel like carbon copies of each other, even if their men are all Goku/Kinnikuman knock-offs. Though the best female drama I'd seen was Legend of Mother Sarah, but I also wish someone would pick up Deimos again, because if I had known it'd be prematurely canceled, I would have seen it sooner.

"Yoshida succeeded without leaning on the flowers, flourishes, and sparkles on which her genre often leans."

Having been bored with To Terra, I will admit that it's appreciated, but BF's too much like a yanki manga where they work out their feelings. That works in Kamikaze Girls, because it's a parody, but here, they're taking it seriously.

Gaijinder said...

Are you sure? If Tsuburaya won, why, when BCI contacted them, were they told that Chaiyo had the US rights? I bought the DVDs as soon as they were released over here, but I'd be willing to re-buy them if they were equal to the Japanese ones, with digitally restored picture, original mono and remixed stereo for each episode (plus one 5.1 track per four eps) and, especially, Mighty P-Man!, but it seems rather that Chaiyo still has the rights, so all we can get is what BCI has already put out (which isn't bad, but could have been so much better if they'd been able to get their source material from Tsuburaya

When the DVDs were released, they had to go through Chaiyo but only Tsuburaya Pro or as I liked to call them, TPC, had the masters of the United Artists dub, which is why we had the wonderful "Brilliant Color Remaster".

For the time being, Chaiyo has rights outside of Japan to the first six shows only (and Jumborg Ace for some reason which they can have for all I care :P) as of the most recent court ruling. For more in-depth info (as I'm too tired to get into details), just check out this article here on SciFi Japan:

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2007/07/01/legal-victories-for-tsuburaya-productions/

Good news is that once TPC manages to clear all this up, rumor has it that they do intend to release a better set and possibly attempt to sell later shows (i.e Ultra N Project and beyond). For the time being, just keep those arms crossed in the Specium Beam position and pray for the best.

Gaijinder said...

Aww damnit, it cut off the link

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2007/07/01/
legal-victories-for-tsuburaya-productions/

Anonymous said...

When the DVDs were released, they had to go through Chaiyo but only Tsuburaya Pro or as I liked to call them, TPC,...

TPC ... Terrestrial Peaceable Consortium (or as FUNimation seems to think, The Peace on Earth Coalition)... why did I just notice that now?

...had the masters of the United Artists dub, which is why we had the wonderful "Brilliant Color Remaster".

At least they weren't edited to match the dub (*cough* Astro Boy *cough*)...

Good news is that once TPC manages to clear all this up, rumor has it that they do intend to release a better set and possibly attempt to sell later shows (i.e Ultra N Project and beyond). For the time being, just keep those arms crossed in the Specium Beam position and pray for the best.

Okay, I'll strap on my Specium Shot I bought in the Dealers' Closet at the first Otakon, you strap on your Henshin Phone...

Seriously, though, this is indeed good news. Let's hope they don't take business advice from Toei or Bandai Visual...

E. Bernhard Warg
(Damn! The batteries in my Specium Shot are dying!)

Anonymous said...

EBW: As much as I like to trash Bandai Visual, too, I honestly can't imagine there being a huge demand for WOH. In terms of pacing, it makes Oshii's movies look like they were directed by John McTiernan. Even the Gainax fans are divided on it-and they love Mahoromatic! I have a feeling this release could actually be a win-win for them.

Anonymous said...

Jeez, I can't believe the caption MB chose to use for the third volume of Girl's High! http://www.amazon.com/Girls-High-Vol-3/dp/B000OV14NC/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/104-2690225-8199952?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1189521926&sr=1-3

Anonymous said...

EBW: As much as I like to trash Bandai Visual, too, I honestly can't imagine there being a huge demand for WOH.

Actually, I like WOH, and am planning on buying Bandai Visual's release of it (though definitely not at full SRP!) once I pay off a few bills (overtime, don't fail me now!), and I was mostly joking (MOSTLY). Maybe I need to joke less...okay, here goes: I only hope that if there is a new release of Ultraman, with TPC's remastered video and audio and extras, that it will be priced the same or not too much higher than the previous BCI release, and that it will still use the original Japanese credits for each episode (maybe via the Angle function or seamless branching, if it's decided to include the US credits when users select the English dub).

E. Bernhard Warg
(gotta leave early for work so I can buy batteries...)

Anonymous said...

EWB: "Actually, I like WOH, and am planning on buying Bandai Visual's release of it (though definitely not at full SRP!) once I pay off a few bills (overtime, don't fail me now!),"

It's $56 off Amazon.

Eeeper said...

Citizengeek said,


@Gerald: In your (very enjoyable, btw!) OtaKon report you said you went to an Irish restaraunt called Tír na NÓg - just want to let you know that you pronounced that wrong. It's 'Teer neh Nouge (with the 'ouge' sounding as it does in rouge)" rather than "Teer nah Nogg" - LOL


LOL, mate. You didn't read my post about said same subject. It's pronounced "Nóg" as in LOGan from the X-Men. I don't know what part of Ireland you've picked up that pronunciation.

Probably Donegal.

CitizenGeek said...

@eeper,

I only noticed your explanation after I had posted mine! I think you done a better job of explaining it though. In fact, I was trying to say it was pronouced exactly the same way you were. My Irish is Munster Irish (I'm from Tipperary).

TJ said...

This has absolutely nothing to do with crazy things like Banana Fishes or Tsuburaya, but it's something cool...

The To-Y Restoration Committee just released their latest fansub, Bobby's In Deep, AKA Bobby's Girl. It's a classic '80s OAV animated by the great Koji Morimoto, so you should all go download it!! And if anyone from the TRC is actually reading this post, thanks a lot for subbing awesome stuff like this!!

Karaoke said...

Oops, accidentally deleted it.

"But that show still bombed, because
Saban killed the genre with Superhero Samurai Cyber Squad"

You are the wrongest person in wrongtown. Saban had nothing to do with Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad, that was DiC and Tsuburaya.

Furthermore, that did not kill the genre. SSSS was one of the very early attempts to cash in on the success of Power Rangers and started airing the year after Power Rangers did, and Power Rangers was certainly popular and successful long past its SECOND YEAR.

exedore said...

And if anyone from the TRC is actually reading this post, thanks a lot for subbing awesome stuff like this!!

You're welcome. It took us about two years to get this done (18 of those months before teaming up with the To-Y RC), due to issues with the translator, issues with the translation, LD problems, etc. IMHO, the final release looks pretty damn impressive.

Now, the burning question on everyone's mind must be: "What are they going to do next?"

Well, I'll tell you. The next release from the To-Y RC will be:

Urban Square. In addition to remastering the video, the ancient VHS script has also been given a new editing scrub and a complete retiming, as the original was done back in the days of slamming the space bar on an Amiga. Look for it...uh...eventually.

Anonymous said...

karaoke: "You are the wrongest person in wrongtown. Saban had nothing to do with Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad, that was DiC and Tsuburaya."

And there's a difference between Saban and DiC?

"Furthermore, that did not kill the genre. SSSS was one of the very early attempts to cash in on the success of Power Rangers and started airing the year after Power Rangers did,"

Actually, it came out after "VR Troopers" and "Masked Rider".

"and Power Rangers was certainly popular and successful long past its SECOND YEAR."

Yeah, that movie was huge at the box office...

Anonymous said...

My bad. In-between VR Troopers, but before Masked Rider.

Karaoke said...

"And there's a difference between Saban and DiC?"

That's like saying, "There's a difference between Toho and Toei?" Yeah, they are different companies.

"Actually, it came out after "VR Troopers" and "Masked Rider"."

I know you corrected yourself, but whatever, I said it was one of the early shows cashing in on Power Rangers and it was.

Many shows followed later, like Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills,Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation, Big Bad Beetleborgs, Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog, and various other Amerisatsu shows.

"Yeah, that movie was huge at the box office..." The box office draw of a spinoff movie has very little to do with the zillion dollars they made off of TV and toys, just like how even though Transformers The Movie was a bomb, the TV show, toyline, comics, and other merchandise made roughly 10 kohillion dollars in the 80's.

IMDB says Power Ranger: The Movie made 37 million domestic, but come on, the show has been on the air continuously for 15 years, with new episodes every year, they've sold 200 million Power Rangers toys (http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services/4521018-3.html), and you're saying the "genre" of American shows based on tokusatsu died because of Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad? Please.

When was Ultraman Tiga on the air in the US? 2002?

Christian said...

100th comment.

Daryl Surat said...

No, this is the 100th comment, until I change my mind. Regardless, I'm not really a fan of low content posts that you see very often on blogs: stuff like "first post!" or "downloading now!" Fortunately, it's not much of an issue here.

It's possible that the number of post replies are enough to warrant getting forums, but even disregarding the fact that we'd have to administer and moderate them using the spare time we don't have as it stands, I'm still unsure whether they'd be necessary. After all, there's already the Anime Jump forums, Dave and Joel's forums, and the Greatest Movie EVER! forums. Not to mention the fact that many of the posters on one of those forums post on the others as well.

Besides, right now with the comments system I can get threats of physical harm by people who sign themselves "anonymous." Damned steroid-pumping hackers; I can only assume the author of such posts is always Cogswell Pepperbox.

Anonymous said...

karaoke: "
That's like saying, "There's a difference between Toho and Toei?"

No, it's not the same thing, because Toho and Toei don't specialize in bastardizing and watering down entertainment for Japanese audiences.

"Many shows followed later, like Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills,Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation, Big Bad Beetleborgs, Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog, and various other Amerisatsu shows."

Yeah, but no one watched them. And I'm going to bet it was because of SHSCS.

"The box office draw of a spinoff movie has very little to do with the zillion dollars they made off of TV and toys, just like how even though Transformers The Movie was a bomb, the TV show, toyline, comics, and other merchandise made roughly 10 kohillion dollars in the 80's."

Yeah, but the toys started declining in sales after both movies.

"IMDB says Power Ranger: The Movie made 37 million domestic, but come on, the show has been on the air continuously for 15 years, with new episodes every year, they've sold 200 million Power Rangers toys (http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services/4521018-3.html), and you're saying the "genre" of American shows based on tokusatsu died because of Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad?"

Compared to TMNT, that movie's opening was fairly limp. I mean, Pocahontas did better than it, and kids hate "history". As for the toys, can you find them in most places like you could in the past?

"When was Ultraman Tiga on the air in the US? 2002?"

Yeah, and we haven't seen anything new since then.

Karaoke said...

"No, it's not the same thing, because Toho and Toei don't specialize in bastardizing and watering down entertainment for Japanese audiences."

What they do is totally irrelevant, you blamed SSSS on Saban when they had nothing to do with you. You are wrong.

"Yeah, but no one watched them. And I'm going to bet it was because of SHSCS."

Or because like SSSS, they were knock-offs of Power Rangers and every knew that.

"Yeah, but the toys started declining in sales after both movies."

I don't know if that's true, but even if it were, it has nothing to do with your ludicrous assertation that SSSS killed Amerisatsu.

"Compared to TMNT, that movie's opening was fairly limp. I mean, Pocahontas did better than it, and kids hate "history". As for the toys, can you find them in most places like you could in the past?"

Yeah, you can. Go to Toys R Us or Wal-Mart and they are right on the shelves at this very moment. You act like it's a collector's only niche market.

"Yeah, and we haven't seen anything new since then."

Oh really? How could SSSS have killed Amerisatsu in its second year when it is still going, 15 years later?

exedore said...

"Many shows followed later, like Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills,Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation, Big Bad Beetleborgs, Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog, and various other Amerisatsu shows."

Yeah, but no one watched them. And I'm going to bet it was because of SHSCS.


For what it's worth, I watched both Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog (yes I was in high school at the time) and Superhuman Samurai blabla Squad and LOVED them. The former was fun as a medieval junkie, and the latter to watch Tim Curry hamming it up as the villain.

Anonymous said...

karaoke: "What they do is totally irrelevant, you blamed SSSS on Saban when they had nothing to do with you.You are wrong."

I'm wrong with the names, but not the kind of companies I've ridiculed.

"Or because like SSSS, they were knock-offs of Power Rangers and every knew that."

Um, no, they were their own shows in Japan. They only were molded into Power Rangers knock-offs.

"I don't know if that's true, but even if it were, it has nothing to do with your ludicrous assertation that SSSS killed Amerisatsu."

Why is it ludicrous? Could you honestly think Power Rangers was still cool after sitting through that embarrassment? It's like going back to Pokemon after sitting through Beyblade.

"Yeah, you can. Go to Toys R Us or Wal-Mart and they are right on the shelves at this very moment. You act like it's a collector's only niche market."

I just googled Toy R Us's site, and
while I do see toys, they're only a fraction of what used to be out there.

"Oh really?"

And look how long it took for that to happen.

"How could SSSS have killed Amerisatsu in its second year when it is still going, 15 years later?"

It's not really going anywhere. Whatever's currently on the air is just there to fill up broadcast time, not to sell toys-like in the past.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Media/WelcomeToTheNHKVol3
wrote a scathing review of Genshiken and Haruhi while praising NHK.

Steve Harrison said...

It's a shame when people won't even sign their name in an Anon. post like E. and Carl do, makes it tough to properly berate and mock the person.

What is missing from the discussion about the success of Power Rangers and the failure of Syber Squad is context, and this is where the difference between Saban and DIC matters a great deal.

Saban had a contract with Fox to supply programming for the Fox Kids blocks, the M-F strip syndication and the Sat AM Kidvid block. Fox Kids was just about the only group producing a kidvid block for M-F use (Disney being the other main player), and pretty much only the fledgling Fox Network was running a daily kidvid block unlike the heydays of the late '70s/ early '80s.

DIC, on the other hand, was forced into syndication, and while there may have been a package of other DIC programming grouped into a block, there just wasn't a MARKET for it because MOST TV stations had abandoned their unique afternoon programming for 'chick chat' shows and infomercials. DIC did get some placement in early AM slots.

Note that Saban didn't have much success with any of their other shows: VR Troopers, Kamen Rider or Beetleborgs, altho IIRC Beetleborgs did manage to make it 2 years. I attribute the failure to Saban taking the shows further and further away from their Japanese roots.

Anonymous said...

Good god Daryl. Super Seinen Level 3? Where do you come up with this shit? I just about died laughing.

~Kamon

Daryl Surat said...

What Kamon is referring to is my assessment of moe over on the "Hey, Answerman!" column at ANN. It's been brought to my attention that I've never actually thanked Zac for his multiple endorsements of this podcast on the ANN site as well as at conventions--largely because I'm an ingrate--but I think we did that at some point during Show 59 or 60. Which we've got recorded.

I'll try and get the first part of Show 59 up before the end of the week, then I'll post the remainder a day or two afterwards. The comical length of this thread is testament to the fact that we're super late on the release. And then AWA is next week. And then I have jury duty. And then Halo 3 comes out, even though I don't really care for Halo much. And then there's AssimilationCon.

How DO the real podcasters balance all this stuff, anyway? Oh, right: being good enough to not require much editing. SO JEALOUS.

Régis said...

I definitely wanna be part of the Adeptus Gekigartes. Though I think I need to actually finish reading Lone Wolf and Cub first before even attempting to prove myself before the experts of justice.