Wednesday, April 02, 2008

Anime World Order Show # 67 - The Synthesizer Has Not Been Stolen Yet

Daryl gets back on the horse [heroin...?] with his review of Paprika, Clarissa's tackling School Rumble, and Gerald double-dips on Detonator Orgun.

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This episode of the Anime World Order podcast is brought to you by Sweet and Sour Inc. Of course, perhaps we should have informed them that this was the case before we went and depleted one of their accounts at the Redondo Beach Savings and Loan:


Introduction (0:00 - 19:22)
We decide to try recording ourselves separately then synchronizing the tracks like all real podcasts do, but the last time we tried this was in episode 4 or something and it didn't turn out well. Do vote in that poll on the sidebar and let us know if there's any discernable audio quality difference. With so many folks listening to the show from school or work, people might be able to pick up on that weird underwater robotic distortion that the old Audacity Noise Removal filter induces. Daryl uses the beta version of Audacity which supposedly has better noise removal capabilities. Let us know. And while you're at it, since there's so many other podcasts out there--anime or otherwise--let us know about your show already! If you want any of us on as guests on your podcast, we'll be glad to do it! As long as we don't have to edit anything.

As far as emails go, "Kira" from Koibito Anime, an anime blog written by a husband/wife duo, wants recommendations from us regarding what anime is good for couples to watch since they're currently spending most of their posts watching filth like Clannad and ef - A Tale of Memories. Eff A Tale of Memories, indeed! For the record, guys: the most recent season of 24 was the worst season of 24 EVER. Maybe now that there's no 24 this year they'll take the extra year to actually write out the full story in advance like they did for the first half of Season 1 instead of just taking spin upon spin at the Xanatos Roulette table. On the subject of those, the rest of Prison Break had better get made STAT. It turns out we can't really offer much help regarding their question, even though Gerald and Clarissa also watch anime together every week for about 7 hours. Such is otakudom.

Let's News! (19:22 - 44:12)
We finally talk about the now-three-weeks-old news bit regarding how the website Crunchyroll got $4 million for streaming fansubs (also, DVD rips! We neglected to mention that part! Seriously, read this and then try and argue these people are on the up-and-up), which judging from their response here didn't exactly sit well with FUNimation, Bandai Entertainment, or anyone not retarded. That last bit of course rules out the masters of "quantity over quality" themselves, Gonzo since they decided they'd partner up with Crunchyroll and Youtube to stream their newest inevitable disappointments. Perhaps this move will someday lead to an actual worthwhile studio taking similar measures with websites that are NOT infested with Trojan viruses and the like, so it's almost a guarantee that studio WON'T be Bandai Visual, who in this press release noted that they've got to delay the release of a few of their titles since--surprise!--nobody's buying any of their stuff. As the US executive branch often says, "nobody could have possibly foreseen this turn of events." Well, except for everyone who DID that subsequently got ignored. Speaking of stuff getting ignored, two more volumes of the Barefoot Gen manga were released in English (which nobody here will buy) AND we're getting even more Fist of the North Star anime (which nobody here will license)! Everyone will probably be going nuts over Slayers Revolution and Haruhi Suzumiya Season 2 instead. Plus, there's a Blade of the Immortal anime coming soon, but unfortunately it's being made by Bee Train, which if we're not mistaken has never made a single good anime ever.

Promo: Viga the Otagal (44:12 - 45:02)
Victoria Gadson may not have been watching anime for THAT long, but she's got enough savvy to know how to come up with a nickname derived from taking the first syllables of words and smashing them together. Not to be confused with Vigo, the villain from Ghostbusters 2, Viga releases three episodes a week through the power of working that sweet Creative Commons magic. Be sure to check her out! Then remind her that "intershiz" is the most infuriating word this side of "blogosphere" or worse yet "podcastosphere"!

Review: Paprika (45:02 - 1:26:15)
Daryl decides it's time to MAN UP~! by reviewing Satoshi Kon's latest movie, available on DVD as well as Blu-Ray from Sony Pictures Entertainment. Only he probably forgot to talk about the movie with any degree of substance within the span of these 45 minutes. OR DID HE? Paul Chapman aka "White Daryl" (or as certain cosplay MEAN-kos say, "Light Daryl" implying that Daryl is "Dark Daryl" the way that there's "Dark Gerald" in comparison to Gerald!) will not be pleased since we didn't talk about the very end of the movie. Or the beginning or the middle.

Promo: Destroy All Podcasts DX (1:26:15 - 1:27:31)
The best part of this promo is when Jeremy (aka "White Tony") starts talking all INTENSE AND SERIOUS-like. Their latest episode is about Black Belt Jones, and all kung fu related episodes of DAPDX (or DAPST) inevitably result in people asking "do they even LIKE kung fu movies?" The answer apparently is yes. Maybe.

Review: School Rumble (1:27:31 - 1:44:15)
Clarissa reviews the first season of yet another anime that's been highly requested, even though there is zero fighting in the show despite the name. It's actually a romantic comedy, only the main characters are blithering idiots. On purpose, for a change! Do check out Otaku USA magazine to see Clarissa's print review of School Rumble as well. If you're going to notice any audio quality difference brought on by the different versions of the Audacity Noise Removal filter, from this point on would be the place.

Promo: Eeeper's Choice (1:44:15 - 1:45:33)
Good idea: our favorite Irish anime fan has a new promo out! Bad idea: he assumes that people know how to spell "Eeeper" just by hearing it. How do we know it's not "Ypres Choice," man?! This is like that time he mailed us those DVD-Rs of Osamu Tezuka's experimental films as well as Phoenix 2772 (dub and sub!), but then he wrote on the back of the paper sleeves with ballpoint pen, thus destroying the backs of the discs. Must be all the alcohol mixed with the DEEDLY DEE, POTATOES!

Review: Detonator Orgun (1:45:33 - 2:01:19)
Gerald wraps things up by talking about this short OAV by Masami Obari that he also covered in a recent episode of Destroy All Podcasts DX. The DVD of this one is kind of hard to find, plus there's an annoying audio problem that could've been caught had someone just...WATCHED the disc first, but oh well. If you like Tekkaman Blade, you'll want to hear about this one.

Closing (2:01:19 - 2:04:09)
The next episode was originally just going to be an all-moe episode out of nowhere, but Clarissa jumped the gun with Potemayo already! So next time the rest of us are putting our moe cards on the line: Daryl's going to cover The Girl Who Leapt Through Time and Gerald's breaking down and reviewing Lucky Star. Lucky Star? LUCKY STAR?! Potemayo? Shuffle? ...NAJICA?! Gerald and Clarissa are clearly venturing into Koibito Anime territory at this rate! Clarissa incidentally is opting to pace herself now that she's prematurely jumped the gun so to speak, and since all the advice manuals on this subject state to "think about baseball," next episode she'll be reviewing the baseball anime Ookiku Furikabutte aka Swing Big.


Harts said...

Nice, keep up the good work!

IAmZim said...

Wow, that was quick.

corbin said...

That's the best pic I have ever seen. Did you go to Mania Mr. Sarat?

M. A. Wright said...

Let me start out first by saying that after being fooled by Rich Lather this show came as a nice surprise.

I was surprised to find out that the same man, Susumu Hirasawa, was responsible for the music in both Detonator Orgun and Paprika, Seeing as I've seen both. I remember when I first watched Orgun the music never really pulled me in unlike the music in Paprika and his other works, particularly Berserk.

Oh, and Daryl how jealous am I of you that you got to meet the man behind Sweet & Sour Inc. I wanna be throttled by an indie wrestler. Preferably Sara Del Rey but thats just cause I respect her ability in the ring.

Dan said...

I was once a man... Oh, wait, the *other* Cobra!

Dan said...

Carl: BTW, was there ever a chapter where Golgo visits South Central?

John said...
i think something just happend to me.
in my pants.

Elliot said...

Its fortunate that you live on a different continent to me, otherwise I would be finding a way to your house right now, DARYL SURAT. (And to a lesser extent, Gerald. But you look as tall as me, so I dont think killing you would as easy.)

At 53minutes and 50seconds, you SINNED against all of creation. You know what you said. And it made me throw my wireless headphones out of the window in a sudden burst of bestial rage and thwarted love for a long dead psychotic self-perscribing loser author.

That said, Total recall is marvellous and Paprika deserves more reviews. I have a newly bought copy from the ADV-turns-into-PACE meltdown sale after hearing about it on Fast Karate and truly enjoyed it.

The Golgo 13 series comes out very soon, and I'm told its 50 episodes. FIFTY. Great success.

VZ said...

For the next episode I was hoping that Gerald would have done Fight! Iczer-1 but then you said something that I equally love as much...


Christian said...

Yo, I totally thought Daryl was being choked out by Carrot Top when I saw that tiny image on my iPod's screen.

Gerald said...

For the next episode I was hoping that Gerald would have done Fight! Iczer-1 but then you said something that I equally love as much...

I actually did Iczer 1 for Eeeper's Choice, the episode has yet to be aired so I'll try not to double dip on that too quickly, also Eeeper and I both like Iczer 1 while Daryl and Clarissa hate it, so it would have been a lot more fun to do it there than here. People are overly upset about the double dip but then again, I have papers to write, and I was doing the editing for the intro, news, my segment and the ending this time, so a double dip was necessary.

I'm also wondering about this new Golgo TV series. Since it's a TV series on TV Tokyo, I'm concerned that we won't get the adequete amount of "breast-ages" that Golgo requires, sure we'll get people getting shot, but Golgo without multiple random females he bangs, just seems wrong!

And strangely enough, Cobra is an OAV series, a show which I wouldn't think would have nearly the amount of objectionable content that Golgo might, either way I'm very happy that both are getting series, and I really hope that the lack of Dezaki (TO GO AND DIRECT MOTHERFUCKING ULTRAVIOLET THE ANIME! How the hell does that even come to be!?) doesn't hurt the show.

Andrew said...

I'd like to correct Daryl about the bad guys in Detonator Orgun. They are called the Evoluder. Their giant space planet of death is called Zoma, which is lead by Zoa AKA Raoh as a giant robot. And I'm not just saying that because Zoa was voiced by Kenji Utsumi.

I'm looking forward to your review of Lucky Star and I want to say that I like the show, but doing so puts me in the same group as all those pedobears out there who post on 4chan like VZ.

Daryl Surat said...

That's the best pic I have ever seen. Did you go to Mania Mr. Surat?

Even though they gave away something like 5000-7000 free tickets, I did not attend Wrestlemania myself. Since it rained that day and the people in the nosebleed seats were terrified every time the stadium perimeter pyro went off (to say nothing of the errant pyro that hit about 40 people), I would say this was a good decision. I opted instead to watch the show from a sports bar, though I left for my 4-hour drive home once Flair/Michaels was over since that was pretty much the only match I wanted to see. Money in the Bank was decent, but I would have been more impressed had I not attended both Ring of Honor shows that weekend: Dragon Gate Challenge II and Supercard of Honor III.

That Otaku USA pin was intentionally worn on my part so the Japanese guys could laugh at how much of a goof I was. BxB Hulk and especially CIMA were quite amused by this. Perhaps my picture with CIMA will be published in a future issue of Otaku USA!

TO GO AND DIRECT MOTHERFUCKING ULTRAVIOLET THE ANIME! How the hell does that even come to be!?

A-buh-buh-buh! You're not allowed to display my levels of infuriation over this development until after you actually watch Ultraviolet for yourself! Preferably the unrated Director's Cut rather than the theatrical cut which is 8 minutes shorter, though the only version available on Blu-Ray is the latter. Equilibrium was rough enough on you that you stopped watching after only 20 minutes; the 90 minutes that Ultraviolet runs for just might kill you. And even then there's 30 more minutes present in the original unreleased cut of Ultraviolet that the world is anxiously hoping will be restored in a future rerelease. Only then will the Metal Gear Solid movie reach its full potential.

Maybe for the Panel OF DOOM at JACON this year I can just put on Ultraviolet and walk out in lieu of actual preparation. Because that con's in a few weeks and I got nothin'.

I'd like to correct Daryl about the bad guys in Detonator Orgun.

You mean the bad guys whose names I never mentioned? No, you're correcting GERALD. You know, the guy you did that Detonator Orgun podcast with the other day?

Tim said...

Great podcast! I'm always glad to see another regular episode.

About School Rumble: I think Harry McKenzie's name is supposed to be a joke that might not have made the transition from the manga.

In an earlier chapter of the manga, Harima Kenji announces his name, and then in tiny type it says "not Harry McKenzie!" So I thought seeing an actual character named Harry McKenzie was just a reference to that earlier joke.

I haven't seen much of the anime so I don't know if this was mentioned there or not. So I could be horribly wrong!

Andrew said...

You mean the bad guys whose names I never mentioned? No, you're correcting GERALD. You know, the guy you did that Detonator Orgun podcast with the other day?

Why must I always make this mistake.

Anonymous said...

Thanks guys, I'll listen to this ASAP.

Did you know, there is a new Getter Robo manga entitled Getter Robo Hien?

And did you know that it's being scanlated and the first chapter came out today? Check it

I think Hien looks like an awesome mecha, like a cooler Shin.

Alan said...

Does the new seperate recording system make it harder for you to interrupt each other? It sounds like it does for some reason. Maybe you're all equally loud now?

Erin said...

Man!! You guys are all totally unqualified to answer the couples anime question! Jesus Zombie Christ!

The correct answer is that you can only watch shows that won't make the less willing partner leave the room and/or throw up and/or they talk through the whole thing because they hate it and ruin it for you. I couldn't pay attention to the last half of Escaflowne because Noah kept complaining over the top of the dialog and/or made distractingly realistic puking noises.

The stereotype is that the guy in the relationship likes anime and girls won't sit through Demon City or whatever, but nowadays plenty of girls watch anime and plenty of guys are not going to sit through Marmalade Boy. Noah and I can watch Claymore together, and Pheonix, but I have to watch Brother Dear Brother by myself.

Tim Eldred said...

Perhaps I'm no longer "Otaku" enough for this 'cast, but I will comment on the sound since you asked

Gerald sounded like he was right next to me. (I was working on my computer as I listened and he actually seemed to BE my computer, which was spooky.)

Daryl was shouting the entire time, maybe to make up for being far away from the mike? He sounded like he was on the other side of the room.

Clarissa's levels were fine, but she sounded lispy, like recovering from oral surgery. All the S's were Cindy Brady-oid.

But no complaints about edits or talkover or timing. That part worked brilliantly.

OK, off to put on the neck brace and the orthopedic shoes so I can go visit the funnybook store.


Gerald said...

You're not allowed to display my levels of infuriation over this development until after you actually watch Ultraviolet for yourself!

Daryl, you make the mistake of thinking that I care at all about Ultraviolet in any way at all, OTHER than it's taking valuable time away from something potentially much better they could be doing with their time. I have zero interest in ever seeing Ultraviolet, but if it happens to be on one day when I happen to be in the same room, perhaps I won't purposely leave that room because of it. That's about how much interest I have in seeing it.

I'd like to correct Daryl about the bad guys in Detonator Orgun.

Andrew! Mr. Details! How can you get my name wrong?! Anyway, I guess that sort of proves my point in that the show tries to do so much in three episodes that it's easy to get things confused, oh well.

Gerald said...

Noah and I can watch Claymore together, and Pheonix, but I have to watch Brother Dear Brother by myself.

Wait, 70's shoujo, which is arguably, the manliest stuff ever made in the history of all transcribed works is too much for Noah? Even the pseudo and actual lesbians didn't grab the man?! Erin, if I were you I'd be very worried about now. (Although he is very right about Escaflowne.)

And it seems like the criteria for finding a "couples" anime is basically just something that the other person doesn't hate, not necessarily something they love or like, just something to shut them up for an hour or so.

Dan said...

AWO: Good couples anime=anything from Ghibli (except possibly Pom Poko and definitely Grave of the Fireflies), Emma, Millennium Actress, His and Her Circumstances,
Cat's Eye, and possibly that upcoming Maria-sama thing.

Oh, and I imagine the writers for 24 were busy on the movie.

Moving on, I think people are buying BV titles, just not enough of them to make a difference.

As for Haruhi 2, didn't that get canceled?

john: I'll be more excited about it when I can hear over the crowd. ^_-
Actually, I'm kinda annoyed that they appear to be turning it into X, or more accurately, a Guy Richie flick. I was kinda hopin' it'd be like The Sopranos.

gerald: I imagine Dezaki took Ultraviolet, because he doesn't want to be associated with oyaji anime from the 70s anymore, since the retro apparently killed his career when that decade ended. Sure, during those hard times, he could content himself with One Pound Gospel and Bionic Six, but who remembers those?

daryl: I hope Wimmer doesn't direct the MGS movie, because I had to endure enough bullshit wire-fu acting in the last game.

Anonymous said...

You guys forgot to mention the most important piece of news which is that JAM Project is going to be at Otacon this year.

p.s you guys should do an all hentai episode for show 69

Alexander Strange said...

Dezaki sure isn't associated with old stuff now. Speaking of things he is associated with, I think ef was the only thing I finished when it came out - SHAFT already made a lot of shows by taking bad material and covering it in artistic bullshit, and it works even better when it's intelligent (like Sayonara Zetsubou-sensei) or at least passionately dumb like ef.

Tommy D said...

as soon as i heard the music for the Eeepers choice podcast i started hearing Mike Toole Singing Kitty Ear Mode

Clarissa said...

tim -

I don't remember that particular joke from the anime. There is a scene, however, when Harima hears some people talking about Harry McKenzie and thinks they say Harima Kenji. After which manly showdowns ensue.

tim eldred -

Hmmm. The weird pronunciation may be due to the fact that I got braces a while ago. Maybe it just wasn't as noticeable when we were recording through the Skype connection?

VZ said...

I know my brother's girlfriend likes and even bought herself a copy of Urosukidoji/Legend of the Overfiend.

So is (I assume Clarissa) going to review Strawberry Marshmallow? There's nothing really creepy in that, just the doujin fanbase I guess.

I've only seen two Satoshi Kon films, Perfect Blue (which I liked) and Tokyo Godfathers (which I didn't). Maybe I'll give Paprika a chance.

Also I've updated my blog with new uploads you'll like.

Max Dunn said...

I didn't hear you mention the dub of Paprika so, as I think it was good, I'm mentioning it. I completely managed to NOT go see this in the theater even though it was playing about 20 minutes from my house, but I rented it on DVD from blockbuster and watched it with a friend of mine.

She, not being a fan of subtitles due to not owning a tv large enough to have them be easily read, was reason enough for me to watch this movie dubbed. I've not seen it subbed at all and, I don't think I want to actually. Yes, I believe the dub to be that good. Let me temper this:

My first anime were all the Streamline dubs and I hold a serious, pure, pseudo-platonic love for that troop of voice actors. So, I'm really hard on dubs and, strangely enough, very easy on dub accuracy. I have no idea how accurate that dub is but I found it to be quite good.

Andrew said...

Here's that commercial Gerland was referring to.

Dan said...

Looks like New Yorkers will be lucky enough to catch Speed Racer @ Tribeca.
Anyway, I'm kinda pissed that my local theater chose to screen Appleseed Ex Machina *after* the dvd release, cus I could've saved $15 on a movie I might not like that much- even though I thought the original rocked.

Sam said...

Daryl, thanks for the Ressentiment heads-up. I'm reading the second volume and just got up to the part where the main character vomits into his beer. Glorious!

Tim Eldred said...


Ahhh, yep, braces will do that. I wore the damn things for five years myself. FIVE. I hope you don't have to put up with 'em for that long. Good luck!!


On Daryl's "recommendation" I watched the "What is Anime" featurette on the Appleseed DVD, and oh my god was it irritating. PROFOUNDLY irritating. I get that it had to be radically simplified because they guessed that a lot of newbies would check this disc out, and I applaud any move to enlarge the audience. But MAN was this thing overproduced. They made up for the lack of licensed images with a grab-bag of made-up ones that were simply obnoxious when they weren't insulting.

And I could have done with a few more professionals rather than the "maniacs" they seemingly pulled in off the street. There's a time and place for that, but not when they get basic things wrong. Nothing critical, but it would have been SO easy to get them right just by giving Carl or Patrick a little more screen time.

Whoever made this thing, THEY can get the hell off my lawn. They probably think Daicon was a ripoff of FLCL, too.

TJ said...

Christ, the show's been up for one day and already there's 32 comments?! Wow!

On the subject of anime couples can watch, I seem to remember that Gerald made a comment in an earlier episode that if you watch Whisper of the Heart with your significant other, you're guarenteed to get laid.

I have a question for Gerald/Daryl: Why do you guys hate on Slam Dunk so much? I admit, I haven't seen all that much of it, but I liked what I saw. Do you guys feel the same way about, say, Eyeshield 21 or The Prince of Tennis?

Enju don't like the arts said...

So, was the end of Paprika the same for the novel? I'm not necessarily opposed to what happens, even if it nauseates me. A little bit of foreshadowing would have been nice, and the sucker-punch delivery pisses me off. I guess that makes me a mouthbreather.

This probably isn't the best time to say how much I'm looking forward to Gerald's Lucky Star review.

The Moogle Master said...

Nice! Maybe you should have done an all moe show, then you could to the shows great for all the wrong reasons, and review Pidgion Blood, or Genocyber, or that wonderful wonderful piece of horrble crap............. Vampire Wars!!!!!

Daryl Surat said...

I borrowed Vampire Wars from Gerald once, and if memory serves it isn't really the kind of bad for which you can pick out a specific scene and say "look how bad this anime is." It's this really dull, boring sort of bad a la The Humanoid. Clarissa's the one who had to watch Pigeon Blood in Gerald's place so that he could get the necessary clips to show during his hentai panels, so she can review that one. Genocyber is on my "to do" list, but I got slightly dismayed at the fact that I could only find about two worthy clips from Cybernetics Guardian, so I've not yet reviewed it. If the Fast Karate April Fool's joke weren't an April Fool's joke, I'd bring in the expertise of Joel White for such a topic.

Man!! You guys are all totally unqualified to answer the couples anime question! Jesus Zombie Christ!

Thank you for informing us of this fact which we stated up front during not just the post which you happen to be replying to right now, but also the podcast which you listened to which prompted your reply! Until you lose those last three pounds, your consultation fee is REVOKED, sister!

Other things I am fully aware of being incorrect about but continue to be wrong about due to apathy: my pronounciations of "Paprika," "Barefoot Gen," and the word "anime."

On the subject of anime couples can watch, I seem to remember that Gerald made a comment in an earlier episode that if you watch Whisper of the Heart with your significant other, you're guarenteed to get laid.

That wasn't Gerald, that was ME! It ain't that tough to tell us apart, folks! I'm the sexy one.

Daryl was shouting the entire time, maybe to make up for being far away from the mike? He sounded like he was on the other side of the room.

In an effort to get cleaner isolated recordings I've switched from earbuds to actual studio headphones, and as a result of this I can no longer accurately hear my own voice while wearing them. I tried setting things up like how we had them at AWA (which allowed me to hear myself through the headphones), but that setup won't work if we're not all together. I'm thinking I just need to switch out some cables, but in the meantime I'll be deaf to how loud or soft I'm talking.

Why do you guys hate on Slam Dunk so much? I admit, I haven't seen all that much of it, but I liked what I saw. Do you guys feel the same way about, say, Eyeshield 21 or The Prince of Tennis?

I have been pretty vocal in the past that I enjoy sports anime by and large, but Slam Dunk has zero--count 'em, ZERO--likeable characters and is paced so slowly that it's even worse than Dragon Ball Z. With over 30 volumes of manga, 100+ episodes, and at least four movies released over the course of several years, the total amount of time elapsed in-story amounts to about three or four months. Gerald wasn't overstating there.

I maintain that most if not all of Slam Dunk's massive and enduring popularity is because of yaoi fans. But really though, they didn't actually need to CHANGE anything about Slam Dunk for the "no climax, no point, no meaning" credo to apply.

quartears said...

Yes it's out. Great stuff as always.

Dan said...

I disagree about the yaoi appeal for SD. There's about only 2-3 pairings which would work. Though I will admit the manga I read in Raijin was slow-paced -which is why I had to stop Vagabond, too (*sigh*). Still, I I appreciate that it shows a lot more dedication and authenticity to the sport than Prince of Tennis-since the latter's basically Yu-Gi-Oh with rackets. I actually also briefly liked the underrated Whistle!, but stopped reading when the main character who was kicked out one team for not fitting in suggested the girl join her own team, since she couldn't fit in on his team. A real underdog would've included her, too, rules be damned. Plus, she got treated more like a sex object than a partner; that's fine for a salaryman manga, but not a sports manga. Anyway, in spite of my love-hate thing with Inoue, I'll still check out Real.

Anonymous said...

Great show guys! You're making my deployment in Honduras so much easier while working the night shift. While listening to past shows, Daryl's enthusiastic review of 009-1 prompted me to order it from Amazon. I can easily say I was NOT disapointed.

Oh and one more thing...

You all have to stop Paul Chapman and Joey Snackpants from making a terrible mistake! What is this I read on the Jacon website that they plan to watch Odin....IN ONE SITTING??? AND they're inviting others to join them in the pain?! Did they not listen to your legendary review of Odin guest starring Anime Jump's Mike Toole?

Is this some diabolical plan to slowly assassinate two of the internet's famed icons? Why not just hire Golgo 13 and put them out of their misery quick and painlessly?

I insist that instead they drop Odin...from a 20-story building and watch a double feature of Commando and Streets of Fire instead.

halojones-fan said...

Hey, I like kung-fu movies just fine. Only we didn't see any good ones yet, up until Black Belt Jones. Karate Bearfighter was a bust, and while I enjoyed the hell out of "Wing Chun" even I can't claim that it was a good movie. We tried to watch "Five Deadly Venoms" but Jeremy's video tape was unwatchable, probably because it's older than he is.

Dan said...

So even though he cites GITS as an influence for Naruto, after reading the manga, it's more likely Kishimoto was influenced by Orion than anything else.

Tyler said...

Nice Rangercast namedrop, though Gerald was on RC like ages ago, back in December for the year-end special. Good times. And why aren't we on the sidebar?

As for Paprika, last year during the Cherry Blosson Festival I saw the film, and it was introduced by Kon himself, who did a q-and-a afterwards, which I wanted to stay for, but was outvoted by my friends. I really regret not getting the chance to pick his brain on the film. It is truly amazing and more people need to see it.

And it was actually eligible for Oscars in 06. Sony Classics pulled off a limited theatrical run in late 06 then released it again, officially, in 07.

Brack said...

Jay-Z has assured me that 30 is the new 20.

Eeeper said...

Just to say that I just received my promo code to get the free episodes of GONZO's shows from BostTV. But when I went to their site the sheer amount of hits seems to have broken it, as of 11.20am Florida time.

VZ said...

A'm I the only one not totally fond of anime companies (well ok, just Gonzo for now), putting their stuff for free on sites like Chrunchyroll and Youtube? Namely, I don't want the companies to start thinking we'll have to cater to U.S. (and even other countries) tastes as opposed to anime being something designed specifically for the Japanese mindset. That's how lame stuff like Karas and Afro Samurai got made. I'd rather see more things like Lucky Star and even Haruhi.

Clarissa said...

Ultra late P.S. -

I do not hate Iczer-One. Precisely, I can never actually decide whether I like it or hate it. On the one hand, it's amazingly ridiculous and I like the character designs and robot fights; on the other hand, it's completely fucking ridiculous in the most retarded cheesecake kind of way and, well, fanboy service doesn't really work for me. Also I own it on DVD, though I haven't actually watched it in quite some time.

Also, originally I was supposed to do Lucky Star while Gerald would do Strawberry Marshmellow. Then Gerald chickened out for fear of looking like a lolicon and snatched both Konata and Meito from Anime Tenchou.

Such is life in the AWO.

Late P.P.S. -

Thanks, Tim. I hope it's not five years also! They're already driving me crazy.

Steve Harrison said...

So just what is 'couple's anime' supposed to be, anyway?

Gaahhh, so annoying!

OK, so some out there, in the tradition of the internets, seeks 'approved' titles lest they risk being ridiculed for liking something that isn't 'cool' to like.

Come ON, how many YEARS have we seen those "what's good anime?" and "what's the best show to watch?" and "what's YOUR top 10 anime(without any mention of the poster's list until at least 5 people have chimed in to provide direction of correct thinking)" and so on? This is just the same damn thing.

To ME, 'couples anime' is like any other show you watch with ANY NUMBER of people. You all watch something that has elements everyone enjoys.

But I assume that 'couples anime' is code for 'anime to score by'. The secret of the 'chick flick' applied to anime. "What anime can I profess to like that will get a girl to sit and watch with me?"

Prove me wrong. Provide an actual defining phrase that ISN'T code for that. Otherwise shut up about 'couples anime'. And Filler. STFU about filler. Gah.


Also, Rambo's Law should have been enacted on the first post, maybe the second, there is no content comment until the 4th post.

Clarissa said...

Agh, when will they let you edit comments?

I also meant to say that at the very least, Iczer-One did a much better job at lesbians with giant robots than the execrable Kannazuki no Miko.

Though I suppose that's not actually hard...

Carl said...

Iczer-One was just supposed to be a take-off on tokusatsu shows, let's not forget. I remember watching in 1986 with Mike Ebert (co-founder of ANIMAG, and the first otaku I actually looked up to instead of inching away from) in his apaato, and him commenting on how you could see the dust on the anime cels. Anyhow, the way I look at it, it has character designs by Toshihiro Hirano, and that gives it a plenary indulgence, sort of like in the Crusades.

By the way, I got a lot done work-wise while listening to this episode, although I admit it was all work for Oh My Goddess!, so you may feel I'm using A.W.O. for evil instead of good.

NJ said...

I knew little about Crunchyroll before, but they can jump off a bridge, for all I care.

Just for the heck of it, I "donated" $1.50 USD to them thinking they'd let me download the first episode of "Tower of Druaga" (hey, apparently it's not that bad for a Gonzo show, from what I've read today)...but even though I have received a download link, all I get is a pathetic message in return:

"Sorry, legal restrictions prevent us from letting you download this file. =("

Too bad they didn't BOTHER to inform us before asking for "donations".

I believe that only Japan was being blocked from accessing these streams and downloads, but apparently they're up to something else.

Seems only those in the United States and in a few other countries can access the CR Gonzo premieres, in spite of this being promoted as a "worldwide" event.

Talk about misleading advertising and, frankly, stealing the money "donated" by non-North American folks (and maybe a couple of lucky European countries, I guess).

Oh well...Youtube and BOST are still out there, to say the least, and they don't seem to be blocking people so arbitrarily.

Dan said...

vz: I think Afro Samurai was actually Okazaki's idea, not a corporate idea.
And frankly, I'd rather see less stuff like Lucky Star, and more like it. Highlander was a tad campy, but not a hint of emo was to be found in it-which was fine by me.

The Moogle Master said...

I've always wanted to see perfect blue, but never got around to watching it! But Paranoia Agent was a really good, and weird ass show.

I was kinda on the opinion that daryl would hate Paprika, cause it's sort of an experimental (Avent-Garde) sort of movie, sorta like Belladonna. But with out the weird ass sex!.

Behonkiss said...

Daryl- I'm renting Cybernetics Guardian soon to finish my 'magnificent' Koichi Ohata experience, so I might be able to get some of the clips you want if you give some specifics.

Also, Paprika is very different from Belladonna in that it has a traditional narrative and animation style with a lot of creative tricks tossed in, whereas Belladonna did just about everything in a different way.

I actually saw an early screening of Paprika at a D.C. Japan festival (Maybe it was the Cherry Blossom one mentioned earlier) and was able to ask Satoshi Kon about his next project during the Q&A. It's actually just been revealed- a sci-fi kids' film. That should be interesting, considering he's never done either.

Dan said...

Can't make any immediate opinions on it yet, but why is Robert Downey, Jr. the Police Captain in Appleseed Ex Machina?

Tyler said...

@dan: Yeah, Okazaki made the manga, Gonzo's US dude (name escapes me...he used to work at MTV) got wind of it, set off on trying to do something with it, got a demo made, Sam Jackson found it, then suddenly he's doing voice and EP stuff. A hit we have.

Dan said...

Oh, and I guess before his skin got blown off, Briareos was really Mark Dacascos. Who knew?

Dan said...

Oh, and Aeacus is Vin Diesel. It all makes sense now.

Dan said...

And the guy with a scar on his eye is Dennis Leary! John Woo's been living so long in the U.S. that he's been inundated with our disposable pop culture.

TJ said...


Thanks for clarifying your opinion on Slam Dunk for me. But no matter how slow paced Slam Dunk is, it's probably still better than Buzzer Beater (that show was terrible!!).

Speaking of sports anime, per your recommendation, I started buying Hajime No Ippo, and I think it's awesome! Thanks a lot for the great recommendation, and all of you out there should watch it if you haven't done so already!!

Dan said...

Tim: I'm in the minority in liking that Appleseed anime featurette, mostly because it seemed true to the fan spirit. But maybe I'm just glad Harry Knowles wasn't asked to make a comment like he did on that Animatrix supplement.

Dan said...

Man, when cosplayers who spend $50 can do a better job than executives who spend $100 million +...

Pics courtesy of Dark Horizons.

larsonce said...

I'd actually like to hear your thoughts on PiQ, Gerald. I'm not....overly impressed by it, and I don't think I'll be buying any issues past the first 2 (I'm committed to buy the first 2). Newtype was kind of fluffy, but PiQ is just...kind of useless.

Anonymous said...

Hey Daryl!

Tekkonkinkreet is excellent. In fact, Tekkonkinkreet >>> Paprika

Vince said...

Listening to 'cast right now but I have to mention:
- I'm 41 years old
- married
- two kids (both anime fans)
- I staff at the local con

So, is that 'otaku' enough? :)

Daryl Surat said...

Tekkonkinkreet is excellent. In fact, Tekkonkinkreet >>> Paprika

Hello, Mr. Arias!

Perhaps I'm no longer "Otaku" enough for this 'cast

Ah-buh-buh-buh-buh! Stop right there!

- I'm 41 years old
- married
- two kids (both anime fans)
- I staff at the local con

So, is that 'otaku' enough? :)

I think people are forgetting that at least on THIS corner of the Internet, the word "otaku" is not used to mean "awesome anime fan who's got MAD FANDOM CRED, YO" like how most people in the US seem to be doing.

When I say "you are not an otaku unlike us," I am in fact paying you a great compliment because despite what TV's Patrick Macias espouses, I use the term in the Japanese sense of the word: "crazy, scary people who have no lives whatsoever outside of their interest."

You know that part at the end of First Blood where Rambo's talking about how sometimes he doesn't talk to anybody for days or weeks or whatever? You ever do that? Did that part of the speech resonate strongly with you? Did you maybe mentally think to yourself "that's nothing Rambo, try a few months" when you saw that part?

If the answer is no, then congratulations! You're not an otaku. The English language already has a wonderful word to describe what you are. That word is "geek." Any former definition died along with "Classy" Freddie Blassie.

The real definition of otaku's not fully dying out until I'm gone, you hear?! Because if YOU'RE an otaku...

...then what does that make me?

Carl said...

I came to call myself otaku in a very simple way; in 1992 I saw the Operation X fansub of OTAKU NO VIDEO at a Seishun Shitemasu party. I had never heard the word "otaku" before then, but I saw the video and said, "Oh, that's me." It must have been like a small-town schoolmarm in the 1950s encountering the word "lesbian."

Dave Riley said...

So smalltown school marms from the 1950s are all lesbians?



enju don't like the arts said...

Those school marms are probably still alive, you know. And an 85-year-old vagina probably feels better than a 20-year-old one, what with all the extra flaps 'n folds 'n such.

Christian said...

The English language already has a wonderful word to describe what you are. That word is "geek."

Personally, I've been working on taking back "nerd", all Randall Graves-style.

And all this arguing over what a 'couples' show is. Maybe it's a testament to how awesome my lady is or maybe it's a challenge to every dateless wonder's estimation, but we recently finished Macross 7 and have been going through Cobra AGAIN. '73 Cutey Honey also makes an appearance here and there. We're a couple of discs behind on Beck and on Bleach, but those are both shows we watch together, too.

Whispers of the Heart is a no-brainer, but sometimes ladies and gents can agree on straight-up good shows.

Anonymous said...

enju: that is disgusting.

dave: that is hilarious.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to thank Clarissa for reviewing School Rumble, one of my favorite anime comedies in recent years. Second Semester is also quite funny, and I can't wait to see the upcoming third season.

Also, Susumu Hirasawa is one of my personal deities. I can't blame Kon for using his music in everything he produces.


P.S. I'd also just like to state that this is the Kamon from the AnimeJump forums. Please do not mistake me for the 'kamon' on the Otaku USA forums.


Superdeformed said...

This is my 3rd episode and Jesus Christ you people saved some faith in Anime fandom in the US.

Gerald's Reviews are unearthing some deep rooted memories of riding my bike to Blockbuster every day, renting every Anime tape in stock, and filling up countless request forms. I remember Detonator Orgun and Dangaio well. It's hard to believe it's been almost 15 years since I got into this crap.

My friends and I were supposed to drive out to the ROH shows Wrestlemania weekend, but nothing came about. I'm months behind on my ROH as it is.

Nice to see there is other smart mark otaku out there. Keep up the good work!

VZ said...

I've been watching the original Macross and surprised how well the show has held up, even if the art are highly inconsistent.

I'm also watching Denno Coil. I think AWO should do a review of that. Don't worry, even though it has young girls it's not a moe lolicon fanservice show, not even like the way Strawberry Marshmallow is. Interesting premise. I'd say it's like a smarter Digimon but that'd be belittling it.

Dan said...

So I found a still from the Japanese Madhouse site for a series which might be the best maid show ever.

Dan said...

Found the official site and ANN link.

NECROTIC said...

Wow, so the truth has come out and now we finally know why Daryl is such a bitter lonely otaku. Since he doesn't ever remember dreams and hates Philip K. Dick, its obvious that he himself is a self-hating replicant.

I'm vidcalling Deckard right now.

Dan said...

So it looks like Duke Togo has his own MySpace page.

Cameron Probert said...

Okay, I'm really late to the party but I thought I'd throw my two cents in. Actually the YouTube episodes of Tower of Druaga and BLASSREITTER have the entire episode in one clip. They aren't horrible quality. They're certainly better than that crappy Crunchyroll stream. And I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who never heard of Crunchyroll before this. Cause I was thinking I really was out of touch.

I mean I am out of touch, but that's neither here nor there.

I do like Tower of Druaga, but mostly because I'm some sort of fantasy fanboy, and it's actually decent so far. I mean I still trust GONZO to screw it up. But I'm liking it. BLASSREITTER is a bit cheesy for my tastes, but it's still okay.

Dan said...

Sorry, fixed.

VZ said...

I put uploads for Madbull 34 and Guy Double Target on my blog.

ScottGreen said...

Potentially of interest... Uniglo t-shirts based on Ishimori, Tezuku, Taiyo Matsumoto, Ashita no Joe, Golgo 13, ect

Clarissa said...

Man, that Black Jack t-shirt is pretty sexy, but with the crappy state of the dollar it's awfully expensive. A dilemma indeed.

Dan said...

So either anime gets a second wind, or we'll get stuck with another crap-tastic effort in the vein of Transformers.

Anonymous said...

Ok, just watched the first ep of the new Golgo 13 TV series....I have hope for anime again. But he needs to hunt down the dread spectre of moe. THAT would be the best show ever.

Dan said...

I have little for hope for G13 with emo music like
I don't want more sanitized content like we got with the Guyver tv show.
Golgo's theme song is neo-enka or nothing.

Anonymous said...

Ok.... when is the next show comming
I need it.

VZ said...

I both highly anticipate and fear Gerald's review of Lucky Star. You must answer me this...

Which end is the head?

Preordered Vol.1 of the show BTW.

Anyone going to NYCC?

VZ said...

Wup, now people are going to use as an excuse why moe is bad.

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NJ said...

In today's news, Bandai Ent. has finished desecrating ADV's corpse over Gurren Lagann.

That and they've licensed the newest Gundam series, but that wasn't too unexpected.


Dan said...

nj: ADV is still alive and smart enough not to get another overpriced
Gainax license only old-school importers would buy domestically. Other than Eva and FLCL, everything else from the company sells decently or poorly here.

WinterRose said...

"We decide to try recording ourselves separately then synchronizing the tracks like all real podcasts do"

... they do?? o.O i never knew that! XD

NJ said...

dan: Hey, I know they're still alive, but they just lost one of the biggest potential properties to Bandai.

I don't even know if it would sell that well per se, but it has hype, Gainax name recognition and even actual quality to back it up. What company wouldn't want something like GL, at least in order to test the waters?

That's the point. Tell me that's not going to hurt, if not commercially then at least morally or otherwise, even if implying death was a conscious exaggeration.

Dan said...

When it comes to anime, hype doesn't make a difference nowadays. And let's face it: Gonzo is bigger here than Gainax. Finally, ADV's got Devil May Cry, so they'll be fine.

Dan said...

VZ said...

New show by Mon-Tues plz plz plz?

I'm starting to get the withdrawal shakes.

steve Harrison said...

It's amazing to me the denial the ADV apologists are in, as regards Bandai Ent' picking up Gurren Lagann.

When it was announced: "YAY! this will SAVE ANIME! It's gonna be HUGE for ADV! Made of WIN! "

Then the Sojitz Crisis hit, and it was "Ooohhh, they're just holding back, they said they're waiting for materials from Japan, they said it's an important title and they just have to work out a few things, there's no way they won't release it after all they've finished at least one disc's worth of dubbing, I'm sure they're just holding back to announce a deal with Cartoon Network"

And now..."well, it wouldn't have been that big a hit...mecha action doesn't do's better they spent their money on keeping the shows they'd already released discs for than try to pay for this..." and just pure...well, rather like someone who wanted to date someone REALLY BADLY but when finally asked and rejected "bitch, I bet he/she is gay anyway I didn't really want to go out with them I was just being nice"

Here's a couple things to stir the pot:

a. The loss of GL WILL hurt ADV. Not just in terms of lost sales, but the investment of whatever 'deposit against income' they had paid for the license, the cost of all those web ads, magazine ads, trade ads, the promotion, the money spent shopping the show to CN and G4, the cost of dub work already completed, the art for at least the first two discs...yeah, that all must have set them back some good money. At a time where they CAN'T afford to waste it. And I'm very sure there's no recouping that from the licensor.

b. Nobody is keying in on the reality of Bandai Ent's reasoning for the double release of GL. They'll release the dubbed version WHEN THEY MAKE A SALE TO TV, and not before. If they fail to get GL on Cartoon Network they'll have to pay for the dub out of their own pocket, and it just might be that after crunching the numbers that would not be fiscially smart. Regardless of what is said NOW, people should understand that there very well may NOT be an English dub done after all.

Given what's been stated as CN's plans for 2009, I'm thinking it's going to be near impossible for Bandai Ent. to get ANYTHING on.

I also find it interesting that in all the talk about Bandai Ent. getting Gundam 00, they NEVER mention that's it's a 'split season' release, where they ran the first 26 episodes, then they're taking a several month break before starting the second 26. It's possible Bandai and Sunrise may not pick up/produce that second 26 episode chunk if the ratings haven't been spectacular.

Remember, Gundam 00 is part of that "Bring Gundam to America...again.....really....this time FOR SURE" project discussed 2 years ago. I suspect it's not going to set people on fire like desired.

Dan said...

steve: I ain't in denial. I always knew that GL was one of their fan shows they were hoping to turn into something bigger, and that now they're just focusing on properties which don't just get buzz on the AOD boards. Good for them, and the rest of us, as that means less moe, too.

And I doubt losing GL will hurt them any more than losing the second season of FMP and the second season of SuperGALS! hurt them. Unlike Geneon, they're smart enough to negotiate good deals which don't result in them bleeding money.

As for a dub of GL, if the subs sell well enough, it should happen;
the company managed to get sales for Haruhi and Lucky Star, shows which would've probably done horribly in the past, if they were released by Geneon. So Bandai seems to do better at "big in Japan, but not necessarily the U.S.A." titles, while ADV is better at more populist titles. If they can actually get girls to watch a live-action screening of Cromartie at AX, then they've done their job.

I also don't have any doubts about Bandai finishing Gundam 00, since the company managed to get through Seed fairly well.

steve Harrison said...

Dan, you ignorant slut.

Losing Gurren Lagann has ALREADY hurt ADV. They SPENT MONEY on a license they no longer own! They advertised a product that isn't being released by them!

Totally different from the FMP and Super Gals releases.

Did you forget the week that ADV had GL take over as a 'skin' at ANN for a week? That cost money.

"If the subs sell well enough, the dub should happen"

what amazing logic. If the subs sell well enough, why spend the money? It won't increase the sales by any significant amount, not like the old days.

Frankly, I think GL is a test bomb for Bandai Ent. If they can mimic the Mediablasters model (fast, cheap sub only mini-sets) and sell near the numbers that a conventional 'dub and drag out the release over 18 months' sells, they'll jump on that horse and ride it hard.

And Gundam 00...whatever. I don't recall seeing anything lately from Japan on when the second season actually starts. I think Bandai is just scratching their head.

I note that on reading the PDF posted at Gundam Offical the current marketing head of Bandai Ent (Napton, Napton, where do I know that name from?) is quick to invoke the name of the one successful Gundam in the US, Gundam Wing. Makes me have the LOLz.

Eeeper said...

ADV said that they had Keroro Gunso over, god it must over a year now, and they still haven't done anything. And Gunso was, like, mega popular in Japan (and yes I know very damned well that Johnny and Janey Amerika won't necessarily eat up everything Japanese now that the all important kids programming block is gone or replaced with homegrown material) and that can at least translate into the mystical chemical compound known as "buzz".

So if they have, what could be in the right hands, something akin to crack cocaine in a televisual format and are NOT doing anything with it, you have to wonder: do they know something we don't?

For months they lied through their teeth about GL. And yet their rabbit-out-of-the-hat title still sits gathering dust despite the fact that it has already been released in a number of non-English speaking territories with moderate success.

How much do you think that Gunso will go on to be the equivalent of Saint Seiya or Hokuto no Ken?

exedore said...

Steve: I don't think Bandai are planning to drop the dub on GL - rather they know that every week the DVDs aren't on the shelves people are downloading instead of buying. Since ADV massively dropped the distro ball, Bandai want SOMETHING on the shelves to plug the leak. Either way I won't be buying GL as it bored me senseless, but congrats to the fans who can get 9 eps/$30 MSRP. I'm just stoked that Code Geass is getting a sane release pattern (double disc sets every 2.5 months).

As far as Gundam 00 goes, it's making money where it counts - Japan - and will be returning to broadcast when Code Geass R2 ends in six months. This way they can sell through the first round of 00 toys before coming out with an entirely new set for the second half. Personally, I kinda dig this arrangement as it means the staff get some time to breathe and there's less chance of filler/recaps. Shounen Jump could learn a lot from this...

Dan said...

steve: A lot of companies spend money on licenses they don't own. FUNimation probably lost money on that OP dub which still led to 4Kids temporarily owning the show. That's just the nature of the business.

Though you're probably right on FMP and GALS! in the sense that ADV probably didn't buy all of GL in this case.

The sub of Innocence clearly sold well enough for Bandai Ent. to redub it. GL is not artsy like Millennium Actress or Memories or perverted like High School Girls; there is actually a potential wider fanbase beyond the sub-only crowd. And if MB can dub Gaogaigar, then I don't see why Bandai can't do the same for GL.

Also, as I've said before, Seed has clearly done well enough for Bandai to continue licensing 00. The older arcs may not be huge in sales, but Gundam is still not dead in the U.S. in spite of them.

eeper: St. Seiya and Hokuto No Ken have crappy animation, so Keroro won't suffer from that issue. The real problem for ADV is how to insure that it goes the way of Family Guy and even Futurama, and not the way of Duckman and The Tick.

ScottGreen said...

Given the time in which everything happened, if ADV wasn't already producing Gurren Lagann DVDs, they were about it. Despite David Williams' effort to bull doze direct questions at cons, it's fair to assume that ADV is not particularly healthy at the moment. Their upcoming schedule suggests that they are going to into an early 2006 or CPM stance of focusing on re-releases. Given that, the loss of the Gurren Lagann title, along with what they must have spent preparing and promoting the aborted release must be quite a blow.

What I've wondered about is whether the loss of the license is tied to the fact that they started streaming episodes on the Anime Network's website.

Dan said...

CPM's problem was that they kept going for random titles by the end. ADV knows its fanbase, though.

Steve Harrison said...

eeeper: The problem with Sgt. Frog is well known to the smart people like you. Without the 'global support structure' it has in Japan (toys, manga, CDs, models, candy, fish sausage, etc and new episodes every week, constant CONSTANT advertising) Sgt. Frog is 'just another' comedy anime. If you add to that what might be a contractual obligation to remove all mention of Gunpla (which, keep in mind is the REASON the show exists) you've got a 200+ episode money pit.

Why do I think there might be a contractual clause to sanitize Sgt. Frog from Gunpla? Because when ADV announced they had 'worldwide merchandising rights outside of Japan' you have to wonder what's up with that. Bandai give up that sweet Euro and South America money? No way man. no way.

Having this problem would be a pretty good reason to not move forward with the show, even if the main reason, not being able to talk Cartoon Network into broadcasting, is discounted.

In terms of failure, I wouldn't mark this as similar to St. Seiya, that was just f**ked over from the start, but yes, the Hokuto no Ken bungle by Manga Ent is a match. And of course Case Closed.

Exedore: Well, if Bandai Ent. was REALLY concerned about the downloading folk (and really, isn't GL an 'old' show now and thus meaningless to that crowd?) they would have made an arrangement with ADV to use their dub studio and actors, whip out that delayed v.1 and probably v.2, then chugged thru the rest as fast as possible. It could have been done, it might have had interesting ramifications, but Bandai wants all the pie.

I still say the idea is don't do the dub until the TV deal pays for it, and if CN doesn't bite, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the dub.

And consider this: If Cartoon Network decides they'll take ONE 'robot' show from Bandai, which will Bandai want to push more? GL or Gundam 00?

Scott: I am convinced that the Sojitz Crisis was triggered by ADV's talks with Geneon. and, maybe, by the constant failure to place Sgt. Frog on TV.

Want a little conspiracy theory? Here goes. I think ADV has become uncomfortable with dealing with Sojitz. I think the talks about taking over distro for Geneon (in that 'we do everything we just don't own it' way) was as a fallback position in case Sojitz did exactly what they did, hold up that slate of licenses hostage for some reason. with the Geneon catalog in their back pocket they would ensure product flowing to retail no matter what. The deal killer was likely Geneon demanding that ADV take on the HUGE burden of the CD catalog. ADV's already pretty much bailed on CDs, AGAIN and I'm sure they didn't want to get stuck with that as a contractual obligation. Geneon really thought the CD biz was due to become major...

So, ADV wants to rid themselves of the Geneon CD catalog, Geneon says "UP YOURS" and pulls the plug, Sojitz says "hey, bitch! you been steppin' out on me?" and they call whatever power/loan they have and *zap* suddenly 30-some licenses vanish overnight. After ADV already did drastic cuts to please them.

So, like I said, no PROOF, but I think it hangs together logically, using observed events as a guide.

but on reflection, the streaming of GL may have been a part of it. It could be Sojitz EXPECTED an actual broadcast on what used to be TAN's 'linear' channel and this streaming BS wasn't in the deal. 'New Media' still confuses people. No linear channel = breach of contract. maybe.

Frankly, I think dumping the linear Anime Network channel was a huge mistake, as much at TAN is a mistake anyway. Now that it's VoD only, there's no reason for any web to carry them, not when there's so many other options out there fighting for bandwidth.

And remember, according to Al Kahn, "Japan is Over"

Dan: ...........

never mind.

Dan said...

steve: Manga probably did more for Hokuto No Ken than any other company besides Raijin. They sold the series at a then-unprecedented 7+ episodes a dvd for $25, and they emphasized the action aspect of the series, rather than the Road Warrior-homage aspect Viz went for with their edition of the manga-not to mention the "It's got a new coat of paint" angle touted by ADV.

I also wouldn't exactly compare Sgt. Frog to Case Closed, because comedy shows do make money here. Case Closed was botched for the same reason as Hikaru No Go, which is that FUNimation and Viz intentionally tried to emphasize the analytical style of both series, rather than emphasize the whacky characters.

As for the ADV and Geneon deal, I imagine it was the *other* way around, with Geneon hoping to dump their library on the company with the deepest pockets, and thus at least temporarily inflating their stock to please the investors.

Geneon was out of the CD business for a while, so I don't think that was a factor in the deal ending. It was probably more a case of Geneon demanding ADV pay the same high licensing fees for shows which failed for them as they previously paid to get those shows, rather than take a loss; ADV sure as hell wasn't going to pay whatever godforsaken fee it cost to get Rizelmine, just so they could get the rights to the Hellsing OVAs, and the rest is history.

Cameron Probert said...

Just my two cents here -

But Bandai hasn't exactely been burning up the airwaves either. I mean for the last few years they've been really playing safe. Going with shows that they must think are going to be hits, and then going from there. I mean they've realeased a relative handful of series, compared to ADV and Funi.

Although I do think that I'm going to be ticked if they don't do a dub for GL. But I think steve has a point there about the whole getting it onto CN thing. In the end, I have a feeling they're going to take Sony's tack and try to get as much money out of the deal before they release it into the flagging DVD market. Bandai Ent strikes me as a company who plays it safe.

As opposed to ADV, which if it isn't on the ropes then it's going to be. I mean their tack has been to release EVERYTHING and then whatever sticks great. Which if the economy was great, and anime was still hot and the market was growing would be great. But since none of those things are true (or at least not in any way that that can be proven), it isn't a good strategy.

Honestly the only company that is looking good right now is Funi. Considering that Haruhi was evidently a failure (or at least according to that dated interview with Eric Sherman), and that I don't think Lucky Star is likely to fair much better (out of sight, out of mind). I don't hold out much hope for BEI either. But they're likely to stick around longer than ADV.

And don't get me started about Gundam 00. I mean that wasn't even hot on the blogs. I can't imagine it's going to burn its way off of the shelves.

But that said, I'm taking bets on the last man standing. And is anyone else reminded of TSR shutting down in the late 80s? Or am I just being overly optimistic?

Cameron Probert said...

And though I might be burned at the stake for saying this... Kanon is probably ADV's last hope.

Dan said...

cameron: Haruhi probably did better under Bandai than every awful dating sim adaptation did under Geneon. No, it wasn't huge, but being able to make enough money to justify releasing similar female-oriented titles from Kadokawa is an accomplishment in itself, considering tha the only things American fangirls tend to go for is stuff from Shonen Jump and Final Fantasy.

I also think your comment about ADV applies more to FUNimation, since they seem to think anything from Gonzo is gold. And for every Claymore, they seem to dump us with 3-4 shows like Shuffle and/or Aquarion.

Finally, the internets has no impact on Gundam 00's U.S. appeal. It will likely do as well as Wing and Seed before it.

Cameron Probert said...

@dan - I actually agree that Funi is going for the grab everything and throw it out there and see what sticks. But the difference is that they have their back catalogue to fall back on. And while their division isn't doing as well as expected, it is posting a profit (if not the expected profit) (I wish I could find that link, but I know I read somewhere that their division had fallen short of expectations, but not because of Funi.)

Eh, but how well did Gundam SEED do? I mean really?

See and that's what I don't get. I mean everyone says Haruhi tanked (everyone being ANN). But why license Lucky Star? I think you make a good point there.

Dan said...

cameron: ADV's got its own back catalogue, and gets royalties off the Ex Machina dub. Gundam Seed did well enough to sell every variation of it, at least. And Haruhi didn't tank; it just wasn't the next Love Hina/Please Whatever/Azumanga Daioh fans were hyping it up to be. But the fact that the manga and novels have been picked up clearly indicates it's been profitable. Lucky Star got picked up, because, like Haruhi, it's a show which appeals to chicks, and doesn't just have chicks posing on the cover.

Chris Sobieniak said...

Though I had not been able to comment at all on this episode, I just want to say Crunchy Roll (for which I shamelessly signed up for) sounds more like some nutty product sold by Cadbury!

Anonymous said...

I was reading an article on the Mormon community ( and this little bit remind me of AWO.

He recalls, “After I got appointed, I talked to a girl who was on a moving crew. They do it at night, 2 or 3 in the morning, to make sure nobody is looking. They could move a house in less than an hour. They’d go in, and they’d Saran Wrap the dressers; they wouldn’t unpack anything. Couple hundred people, trucks—boom.”